FLFan Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 9:28 PM, twoandfourteen said: My fault, I'll go take a lap. W-L is too subjective a stat. The Bills' QB recently lost a game that the defense should have won. Mark Sanchez & Brock Osweiler have winning records at QB. I'm simply looking at production only. Expand Win/loss is too subjective a stat, but the crap you are relying on is not? Do you even hear yourself? Your arguement is foolishness.
twoandfourteen Posted October 16, 2018 Author Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) On 10/16/2018 at 9:31 PM, FLFan said: Win/loss is too subjective a stat, but the crap you are relying on is not? Do you even hear yourself? Your arguement is foolishness. Expand You mean Passing yards, TDs, & games started? I'm judging QB production, not launching a rocket. Edited October 16, 2018 by twoandfourteen
FLFan Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 9:33 PM, twoandfourteen said: You mean Passing yards, TDs, & games started? I'm judging QB production, not launching a rocket. Expand I already explained my logic in a previous post, but in the real world, QB production is ultimately gauged by wins and losses. He lost last night, as he a,ways does. His team scored 6 points in the second half. That's is not good production. He is a semi- adequate backup at this point. Yes, I wish he was our backup because I certainly think he is better than Peterman. Your conclusions in comparing him to Allen are faulty.
twoandfourteen Posted October 16, 2018 Author Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 9:44 PM, FLFan said: I already explained my logic in a previous post, but in the real world, QB production is ultimately gauged by wins and losses. He lost last night, as he a,ways does. His team scored 6 points in the second half. That's is not good production. He is a semi- adequate backup at this point. Yes, I wish he was our backup because I certainly think he is better than Peterman. Your conclusions in comparing him to Allen are faulty. Expand Then you would obviously view Mark Sanchez & Brock Osweiler as titans at the position because they have winning records. I'm looking to gauge basic competence at the position and skill development. Yards & TDs are the basic measures of skill at the QB position. For example, if I were looking to figure out how tall a guy was, I'd look at how many feet & inches he stands.
Helpmenow Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 9:09 PM, thebandit27 said: The bigger issue with Goodwin was health and dedication to football prior to getting to SF Expand During his time with the bills he was on kickoff return team, in Frisco none. Might have something to do with his health
JaCrispy Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 1:50 AM, Jay_Fixit said: At this point, Beathard is leaps and bounds better than Josh Allen. Expand Great...another backup QB better than our starter...where have I seen this movie before?
Tcali Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 9:09 PM, thebandit27 said: The bigger issue with Goodwin was health and dedication to football prior to getting to SF Expand thats true--but i went to the bigger picture to make a point. you are correct though.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 11:31 PM, JaCrispy said: Great...another backup QB better than our starter...where have I seen this movie before? Expand The truth is he’s probably not. Haters gunna hate How many wins? 2 each of does Bethard now have 3
aceman_16 Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 1:38 AM, twoandfourteen said: Check his career game log: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BeatC.00/gamelog/ Only one time has this kid been under 200 yards passing in a game. Looks like a star in the making tonight on MNF. Meanwhile, Josh Allen is regularly failing to break 100 yards in a game. Beathard looked competent as a rookie last season with a group of no-name receivers, too. Only 3 more career starts. Allen needs to get really good, really quickly. Expand Oh snap... what round was he drafted in this year??? Oh wait - wrong draft? So he isn't a rookie? Next thread. 1
oldmanfan Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 Beathard and Osweiler each played OK this week. And odds are big they will have poor games coming up. But because of one game their history is ignored and some here complain we don't have either of them.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 Tim Tebow..... whats he doing???
twoandfourteen Posted October 17, 2018 Author Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 12:21 AM, oldmanfan said: Beathard and Osweiler each played OK this week. And odds are big they will have poor games coming up. But because of one game their history is ignored and some here complain we don't have either of them. Expand This is utterly and completely false. I encourage all of you to take a good long look at CJ Beathard's career log -- especially his production as a rookie last year. In fact, last year I was using CJ Beathard as an example of how limited Tyrod was and how far behind the Bills were as an offense. Here was a 3rd round rookie who was able to produce respectable passing yardage, and yet our 7th year vet couldn't crack 200 half the time. I didn't think it could get any worse. But, leave it to the Bills to consistently redefine "rock bottom".
oldmanfan Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 1:00 AM, twoandfourteen said: This is utterly and completely false. I encourage all of you to take a good long look at CJ Beathard's career log -- especially his production as a rookie last year. In fact, last year I was using CJ Beathard as an example of how limited Tyrod was and how far behind the Bills were as an offense. Here was a 3rd round rookie who was able to produce respectable passing yardage, and yet our 7th year vet couldn't crack 200 half the time. I didn't think it could get any worse. But, leave it to the Bills to consistently redefine "rock bottom". Expand His career: 58% completion rate, 10TD/11Int, rating around 78. About what I'd expect of a backup guy. Some good, some bad. Seems like a pretty good second guy to have. And not utterly false, just at odds with your opinion that you apparently confuse with fact. Allen has played 5 games with a weaker supporting cast. We'll see how he does.
YodaMan79 Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 9:22 PM, FLFan said: He lost. Again. Expand Not until McMahon showed up on that BS penalty on a 3rd down sack. Officials bailed GB out big time. That's not the QBs fault.
twoandfourteen Posted October 17, 2018 Author Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 1:15 AM, oldmanfan said: His career: 58% completion rate, 10TD/11Int, rating around 78. About what I'd expect of a backup guy. Some good, some bad. Seems like a pretty good second guy to have. And not utterly false, just at odds with your opinion that you apparently confuse with fact. Allen has played 5 games with a weaker supporting cast. We'll see how he does. Expand I agree -- pretty solid performance for a #2 guy who has only played 11 games with a pretty bad team. The problem is that his career is just a shade longer than Allen's and his numbers are far superior. What does that say about our guy? Do you see my point now?
Bookie Man Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 I can't remember who the poster was, but someone here was propping this guy up last season, saying he was a late round gem and could be a real player. He had some crappy games last year but looked pretty solid last night.
Boatdrinks Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 11:22 PM, Helpmenow said: During his time with the bills he was on kickoff return team, in Frisco none. Might have something to do with his health Expand Not really. He was often injured on fairly routine looking tackles while playing WR. He was training for track , and not for survival as an NFL WR. When his Bills contract was winding down , then he got serious about staying in the league. On 10/16/2018 at 9:22 PM, FLFan said: He lost. Again. Expand Beathard is much better than Allen at this point. I can say that with confidence. SFs defense isn’t as good as the Bills. The Bills with Beathard would have a decent chance of beating the Packers at Lambeau. They were unable to compete with Allen at the helm. 1
Helpmenow Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 5:09 AM, Boatdrinks said: Not really. He was often injured on fairly routine looking tackles while playing WR. He was training for track , and not for survival as an NFL WR. When his Bills contract was winding down , then he got serious about staying in the league. Beathard is much better than Allen at this point. I can say that with confidence. SFs defense isn’t as good as the Bills. The Bills with Beathard would have a decent chance of beating the Packers at Lambeau. They were unable to compete with Allen at the helm. Expand Again he had 16 kickoff returns in 2013. On 10/17/2018 at 12:22 AM, ShadyBillsFan said: Tim Tebow..... whats he doing??? Expand Better than peterman
oldmanfan Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 3:26 AM, twoandfourteen said: I agree -- pretty solid performance for a #2 guy who has only played 11 games with a pretty bad team. The problem is that his career is just a shade longer than Allen's and his numbers are far superior. What does that say about our guy? Do you see my point now? Expand No I don't see your point. Beathard has been around the league a lot more with better players around him. Allen is just getting started.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 10:48 AM, Helpmenow said: Better than peterman Expand that was a joke.
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