ALF Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 Let Allen heal is what matters the most. Leave it up to Anderson to decide when he is ready . Peterman's limitations are now known for sure, work around them.This offense needs too much of a rebuild to put Allen at risk.
Thurman#1 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: If I’ve learned one thing, ONE THING, it’s that there is no appropriate simulation for a live NFL game for QBs. I re learn this every preseason when guys like Trent, EJ, Fitz, Nate, maybe Josh, TT, and the litany of guys o didn’t pay attention to previously. live fire reps are the investment you have to make. Allen has something, but he’s not proven it on the big stage. There is some element of mental processing where these guys click and start seeing things in slow motion compared to the rest. It happened to me in other sports at much lower levels of competitive play, so I get what they are looking for. I guess my point is playing at that level is the only way to find it. Practice reps will never be enough. Sure he'll have to take live reps. Eventually. But practice reps can make a huge difference, as they did with Rodgers. But yeah, sooner or later game snaps are necessary. Later would likely be better in this case.
Xwnyer Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 What they should do is ring up Peyton Manning and see if he would work with Josh on basic concepts like reading defenses and progressions. Just sit Josh in film room with a proven QB not learning. From a scrub.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Real McCoy said: No, let Allen develop ...or heal........... 1
outsidethebox Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 If Anderson starts the rest of the year, we win one game if we're lucky. He's old and rusty as hell. With this OL, he will get killed.
Gugny Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Simon said: or at least until he gets hurt. The Bills have dropped an enormous amount of capital to acquire their first true blue chip QB prospect in decades. They then proceeded to surround him with a large pile of sub-par players who simply have no business starting in the NFL. If they continue to trot this kid out there every week, he is going to get hurt. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when and how. Maybe they get lucky and he just gets a couple ribs busted up or cracks his left ulna; but if they don't get lucky there is a real significant chance that he's going to get his plant knee torn up, take damage to his throwing shoulder or suffer any of a myriad of injuries that is going to negatively affect him for the rest of his career. And for what? This team is not going anywhere this year with any QB available to them. The staff is desperately trying to scheme around an insurmountable lack of talent but there is only so much you can do and this kid cannot learn jack in that kind of environment. There is virtually no upside into continuing to put him out there and if there is, it is massively outweighed by the downside of him taking permanent damage for no good reason. The Bills should put a headset on him the rest of the year and let him gain experience standing next to coaches and working with a veteran QB 6 days a week. Use a pile of draft picks and cap space to build aan NFL O-line this offseason and put some legitimate skill players on the field around him next year and then see what he's got. Risking this kids long-term health for the sake of letting him gain a little bit of dubious experience in a modified NFL offense is an inexcusable manner in which to risk the kind of prospect which comes around rarely and to which you've devoted a tremendous amount of resources. He'll be just as likely to get hurt next year if he stands next to the coaches for the rest of this year. I believe the upside to keeping him out their heavily outweighs any downside. Even with the rule changes, the NFL is still tough and players get hurt in every game. These coaches you want him to stand next to ..... they all suck and they're the biggest reason he's hurt right now. Specifically Daboll for calling too many pass plays and McDermott for not controlling the situation as head coach. The circus last year with benching Tyrod, then starting Tyrod, then benching Tyrod .... was a joke. If McDermott does the same thing again with different QBs, that's going to tell me a lot about his readiness (or lack there of) to be an NFL HC (the doubts have already begun to creep in). Lastly - Beane and McDermott have built a roster on which Josh Allen is the best QB. Derek Anderson sucks and all of us know it. Peterman .... he's Peterman. Josh Allen is the best QB on the team and not putting the best QB on the field = tanking. Jesus hates tankers. 2
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: He'll be just as likely to get hurt next year if he stands next to the coaches for the rest of this year. I believe the upside to keeping him out their heavily outweighs any downside. Even with the rule changes, the NFL is still tough and players get hurt in every game. These coaches you want him to stand next to ..... they all suck and they're the biggest reason he's hurt right now. Specifically Daboll for calling too many pass plays and McDermott for not controlling the situation as head coach. The circus last year with benching Tyrod, then starting Tyrod, then benching Tyrod .... was a joke. If McDermott does the same thing again with different QBs, that's going to tell me a lot about his readiness (or lack there of) to be an NFL HC (the doubts have already begun to creep in). Lastly - Beane and McDermott have built a roster on which Josh Allen is the best QB. Derek Anderson sucks and all of us know it. Peterman .... he's Peterman. Josh Allen is the best QB on the team and not putting the best QB on the field = tanking. Jesus hates tankers. Agree on everything other than that last sentence.
Gugny Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Agree on everything other than that last sentence. You don't think Jesus hates tankers?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) Just now, Gugny said: You don't think Jesus hates tankers? Jesus loves everyone, even the people whining on here. Edited October 16, 2018 by joesixpack
Prickly Pete Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) Forgive me if Im wrong, but I've never heard that Derek Anderson is particularly known for his superlative game preparation. I get it, he's a veteran and all that, but why is it assumed that he has some kind of special insight into preparing for a game, or even being a notable on field leader? And that he will be adept at channeling his experience into "teachable moments" for Allen? I ways thought of him as "just a guy", and basically a one trick pony (deep pass). Edited October 16, 2018 by OJ Tom
Simon Posted October 16, 2018 Author Posted October 16, 2018 33 minutes ago, westside said: If Anderson starts the rest of the year, we win one game if we're lucky. He's old and rusty as hell. With this OL, he will get killed. If it's that vs Peterman winning zero games or Allen winning another 2-3 before he gets hurt for real, I'll still take the Derek Anderson scenario 21 minutes ago, Gugny said: These coaches you want him to stand next to ..... they all suck and they're the biggest reason he's hurt right now. Specifically Daboll for calling too many pass plays and McDermott for not controlling the situation as head coach. I guess my comment about standing next to the coaches was more a figure of speech than anything
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, OJ Tom said: Forgive me if Im wrong, but I've never heard that Derek Anderson is particularly known for his superlative game preparation. I get it, he's a veteran and all that, but why is it assumed that he has some kind of special insight into preparing for a game, or even being a notable on field leader? I think Anderson's most important characteristic is that McDermott and Beane are familiar with him from their time together in Carolina. So its that connection again which as time passes is going to dry up so our management team had better start looking across the entire league. Where there better options available at this point in the season? Now that its reported that Allen is week-to-week with an elbow injury the focus shifts from what to do about Allen to who to start on Sunday. Anderson or Peterman? Pick you poison. Like its said, all battles are won or lost before they begin, and they really screwed the pooch with the QB strategy and player moves in the off season. Cutting McCarron made no sense financially and personnel-wise, keeping Peterman because of a good preseason once again looks foolish, and with Allen out a week or two at best, not having a veteran back-up is going to expose the GM/HC to a lot of second guessing the rest of the way this season. My view with Allen is that along with inexperience wit the pro game he just doesn't trust his offensive line and receivers. On top of all this, I watch Goodwin, Watkins, and Woods and wonder how these guys evaluate the WR position, which is another story but part of the journey that got us to this offensive dumpster fire.
Mr. WEO Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 Anderson hasn't played football since January. Before that, he has started 4 games in the past 7 years. He will be hurt before halftime.
Mickey Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 There are reason's Anderson was not on an NFL roster. The notion that at this point in his career he is ready to be an NFL starter is delusional. If Josh can't play, Peterman starts unless they bring in someone else who can play. Just because we badly need a QB doesn't mean there is one out there worth having. Next stop: the CFL talent pool? Tyrod? Earl Morral? On the bright side, we are looking good for the 2019 draft.
Flutie Flakes Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 36 minutes ago, Gugny said: He'll be just as likely to get hurt next year if he stands next to the coaches for the rest of this year. I believe the upside to keeping him out their heavily outweighs any downside. Even with the rule changes, the NFL is still tough and players get hurt in every game. These coaches you want him to stand next to ..... they all suck and they're the biggest reason he's hurt right now. Specifically Daboll for calling too many pass plays and McDermott for not controlling the situation as head coach. The circus last year with benching Tyrod, then starting Tyrod, then benching Tyrod .... was a joke. If McDermott does the same thing again with different QBs, that's going to tell me a lot about his readiness (or lack there of) to be an NFL HC (the doubts have already begun to creep in). Lastly - Beane and McDermott have built a roster on which Josh Allen is the best QB. Derek Anderson sucks and all of us know it. Peterman .... he's Peterman. Josh Allen is the best QB on the team and not putting the best QB on the field = tanking. Jesus hates tankers. We should have never traded McCarron. Foolish move by Beane, but it's too late to lament over it. Allen is "week to week" so it is doubtful he plays against Indy, maybe against Pats* if he is healthy because it is MNF on a national stage, but he could get absolutely wrecked against a tough Bears defense with our $%&# show of an o-line? If he is healthy, he should play regardless BUT I don't want to see them rush him back before he is 100%. There is absolutely no reason to do this. At the end of the day, Daboll needs to make better adjustments to what the opposing defenses show and on pass plays, scheme so that he can get the ball out of his hands quickly. Having him sit back in a pocket is setting this kid up for a major injury. Your a little dramatic saying that "all of our coaches suck" given the level of talent (or lack thereof) that our offense possesses (with the exception of McCoy). The reason Allen is hurt is due to poor play calling, a terrible offensive line and a clear lack of playmakers at wideout.
Gugny Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Flutie Flakes said: We should have never traded McCarron. Foolish move by Beane, but it's too late to lament over it. Allen is "week to week" so it is doubtful he plays against Indy, maybe against Pats* if he is healthy because it is MNF on a national stage, but he could get absolutely wrecked against a tough Bears defense with our $%&# show of an o-line? If he is healthy, he should play regardless BUT I don't want to see them rush him back before he is 100%. There is absolutely no reason to do this. At the end of the day, Daboll needs to make better adjustments to what the opposing defenses show and on pass plays, scheme so that he can get the ball out of his hands quickly. Having him sit back in a pocket is setting this kid up for a major injury. Your a little dramatic saying that "all of our coaches suck" given the level of talent (or lack thereof) that our offense possesses (with the exception of McCoy). The reason Allen is hurt is due to poor play calling, a terrible offensive line and a clear lack of playmakers at wideout. I agree that Allen shouldn't play unless he's healthy enough, but I don't think that necessarily means he has to be 100%. Guilty of hyperbole with regard to the coaching staff ... but not much. Again - I think it's mostly Daboll calling terrible games. When he's been forced to go against his pass-happy ways, the line looks better, the running game flourishes and the Bills win. That's on McDermott, who took the defense into his own hands which has resulted in great success (IMO). I know he's not an offense guy, but he is the head coach and he needs to see that passing far too frequently is hurting the team - not to mention his first round QB.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Sure he'll have to take live reps. Eventually. But practice reps can make a huge difference, as they did with Rodgers. But yeah, sooner or later game snaps are necessary. Later would likely be better in this case. Rodgers went 6-10 his first year starting. Team went 13-3 the prior season with Favre. Rip the band aid off and get on with it already
row_33 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 i'll wait to see how Anderson looks before putting him on the throne
oldmanfan Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 I would think you have to start Anderson. I can't imagine the locker room if you start Peterman.
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