CodeMonkey Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, joesixpack said: That's not a Beane and McDermott problem, though. That's a frustrated fan problem. And it wasn't the fault of the regime before them, or the one before them .. ad infinitum (or is that ad nauseam? Or both?) ... The "negativity" is towards the Buffalo Bills as a whole, over the many many years. Not just the people sitting in the offices right now.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, CodeMonkey said: The "negativity" is towards the Buffalo Bills as a whole, over the many many years. Not just the people sitting in the offices right now. nnnnh. not so sure about that. there's a LOT of vitriol directed at Beane and McDermott specifically around here.
warrior9 Posted October 15, 2018 Author Posted October 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, Bangarang said: So why bring up Allen’s record as if it tells us anything or somehow proves we shouldn’t be worried about him? We shouldnt be yet. its been 4 games.. thats why 15 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said: The big problem is hearing that year in and year out for 20 years gets old, ya know. Theyve been here for a year and we made the play offs..... i get that it gets old.... but we may actually have a solid foundation here for the first time in a long time.
CodeMonkey Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: nnnnh. not so sure about that. there's a LOT of vitriol directed at Beane and McDermott specifically around here. Fair enough, there is. And some is deserved to be sure for what is happening with the offense this year. But what has happened with the defense is also on them. Just now, warrior9 said: We shouldnt be yet. its been 4 games.. thats why Theyve been here for a year and we made the play offs..... i get that it gets old.... but we may actually have a solid foundation here for the first time in a long time. With the same record the team had many times during the drought, but yeah they did what they needed to and backed in. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, CodeMonkey said: Fair enough, there is. And some is deserved to be sure for what is happening with the offense this year. But what has happened with the defense is also on them. Agreed, and their success with the defense is WHY I wanna see them have the opportunity to actually mold the offense. 1
Rc2catch Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, vorpma said: Great post but your not bitter, angry, emotional, cussing, screaming to fire everybody from the Pegula's to the city of Buffalo, or calling for the public hanging of Nate Peterman; not sure it will get taken seriously! Haha truth, I was on the peterman hype train.. I really was. And I have to think the kid is extremely smart in the film room and being able to read defenses etc etc. Even last year I think they keep him around for his brains more than his talent. Speaking truthfully I kinda feel like if you could mesh Allen and peterman together you’d have an all pro top 5 quarterback. I have since jumped off the moving train, the kid just doesn’t have the arm talent to have success in this league. At this point I do support cutting him loose. I always envisioned him just being a “game manager” and yesterday he managed to just give the game away. I don’t think his career is over, but I think his buffalo career needs to be over. He needs a fresh start and new team. We all knew his ceiling was a backup quarterback and I still think he will be. He can’t stay here now though. Those bridges are burnt to the ground. 1
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 30 minutes ago, warrior9 said: I watched the game yesterday.... The Broncos and Seahawks have both won SB's (im not saying we're them) in the last 5 years with defense.. so yes, defense does matter.... go show me more 43-40 games and come back to this board.... that wasn't football... that was a 4th quarter track meet. Well warrior9 again, let's analyze. Who Quarterbacked the Seahawks? Not Trent Dilfer. HOFer Russell Wilson on a rookie deal. Who did Seattle have on their team? HOF QB, Pro Bowl Running back, Chancellor (5th Rounder), Richard Sherman (5th Rounder), Earl Thomas, Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright, Mike Bennett. All were elite talents during their rise to the top. The Broncos had a HOF OLB leading their pass rush, and another HOFer in Demarcus Ware when they won their SB, along with Talib, Chris Harris, TJ Ward, Derek Wolfe, and D.Thomas and Emanuel Sanders at WR. The point is, the Seahawks got really good when they stacked 3 straight great drafts together, had a young core and a QB on a rookie deal. You had real high end NFL talent. The Broncos likewise had young guys in their prime, mixed in with capable HOF veterans. We have 35 year old Kyle Williams and 35 year old Lorenzo Alexander that we hope will be around when we get good. Its not that defense "doesn't matter". But right now, our defense has to give up 12 points or less for our team to have a chance, and Elway/Schneider have shown they can build Championship level defense. When the Ravens won in 2000, they had HOFers, Lewis, Woodson, Tampa in 2002 with Sapp, Lynch and Brooks. The Bills have a tough nosed defense. But its not 1985 Bears and trying to win this way is increasingly getting harder to do, let alone sustain over span of years. Maybe the Bills can win this way, maybe their GM can build the next great generational defense. At this point I'd almost prefer that to our FO blowing picks on building an offense. If Zay Jones is any indication, or Mike Tolbert, or Rod Streater, or Jeremey Kerley, or Kaolin Clay, or Kahari Lee, or Nate Peterman or Kelvin Benjamin, or Vlad Duccasse, I'm not sure I want to see Brandon Beane or Sean McDermott blow picks trying to help the offense. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: HOFer Russell Wilson Whaaaaat
CodeMonkey Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Agreed, and their success with the defense is WHY I wanna see them have the opportunity to actually mold the offense. I agree as well, I do not want either fired. But negativity isn't completely unwarranted when it comes to to the entire Bills organization as a whole is my [only] point.
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Whaaaaat 29 years old, started every game in his career, 64% passer, 99 career rating, +114 TD to Interception, also has over 3,000 yards rushing and 16 more TDs, Super Bowl champion. Yeah, HOFer. 1
warrior9 Posted October 15, 2018 Author Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Well warrior9 again, let's analyze. Who Quarterbacked the Seahawks? Not Trent Dilfer. HOFer Russell Wilson on a rookie deal. Who did Seattle have on their team? HOF QB, Pro Bowl Running back, Chancellor (5th Rounder), Richard Sherman (5th Rounder), Earl Thomas, Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright, Mike Bennett. All were elite talents during their rise to the top. The Broncos had a HOF OLB leading their pass rush, and another HOFer in Demarcus Ware when they won their SB, along with Talib, Chris Harris, TJ Ward, Derek Wolfe, and D.Thomas and Emanuel Sanders at WR. The point is, the Seahawks got really good when they stacked 3 straight great drafts together, had a young core and a QB on a rookie deal. You had real high end NFL talent. The Broncos likewise had young guys in their prime, mixed in with capable HOF veterans. We have 35 year old Kyle Williams and 35 year old Lorenzo Alexander that we hope will be around when we get good. Its not that defense "doesn't matter". But right now, our defense has to give up 12 points or less for our team to have a chance, and Elway/Schneider have shown they can build Championship level defense. When the Ravens won in 2000, they had HOFers, Lewis, Woodson, Tampa in 2002 with Sapp, Lynch and Brooks. The Bills have a tough nosed defense. But its not 1985 Bears and trying to win this way is increasingly getting harder to do, let alone sustain over span of years. Maybe the Bills can win this way, maybe their GM can build the next great generational defense. At this point I'd almost prefer that to our FO blowing picks on building an offense. If Zay Jones is any indication, or Mike Tolbert, or Rod Streater, or Jeremey Kerley, or Kaolin Clay, or Kahari Lee, or Nate Peterman or Kelvin Benjamin, or Vlad Duccasse, I'm not sure I want to see Brandon Beane or Sean McDermott blow picks trying to help the offense. Wait... waht? What did we analyze? You named players and the rounds they were drafted and called Russel Wilson a HOFer.... not really sure what you'er analyzing Anyway.... All you did there was prove you can with with D....Also, Vlad Duccasse is in the top 5 guards pass blocking wise this year.......
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: 29 years old, started every game in his career, 64% passer, 99 career rating, +114 TD to Interception, also has over 3,000 yards rushing and 16 more TDs, Super Bowl champion. Yeah, HOFer. No. He's got a LONG way to go to be a HOFer, sorry.
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, warrior9 said: Wait... waht? What did we analyze? You named players and the rounds they were drafted and called Russel Wilson a HOFer.... not really sure what you'er analyzing Anyway.... All you did there was prove you can with with D....Also, Vlad Duccasse is in the top 5 guards pass blocking wise this year....... Okay, so you believe all the Bills FO and Coach need is time? And then the Bills will be winning in this league? Going to AFC Title Games? I think the odds of that based on what we've seen out of this GM and Coach are microscopic. The point was Seattle and Denver, defensive led teams, had real HOF talent. The Bills have a few nice players defensively, and a couple of key cogs who are 35 years old. Big difference. 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: No. He's got a LONG way to go to be a HOFer, sorry. Laugh it up Joe. Russell Wilson is better than every QB the Bills have ever had, including Kelly. Its not close.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Russell Wilson is better than every QB the Bills have ever had, including Kelly. Now you've fully gone off the rails.
billsfan_34 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said: developing qb's is a tricky thing I think. they've absolutely screwed the pooch when it comes to the situation in the qb room. I think there's a lot of good that's been done. but they monumentally screwed up their qb situation. their loyalty to #2 is freaking mind blowing. The QB situation is a complete mess! 1
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Now you've fully gone off the rails. Kelly in 4 years with Bills leading to his 29th Birthday: 59.2% Completion Percentage, 82.9% Rating, 81 TDs, 15.75 Ints/Season, 2 TDs Rushing. Wilson in 4 years leading up to 29th Birthday: 64.3% Completion Percentage, 98.3% Rating, 109 TDs, 9.25 Ints/Season, 11 TDs Rushing. Okay, different eras, grabbing WRs etc. But its not laughable at all. Wilson after next season will be on Kelly's career TD's and will be closing in on 30,000 yards passing with no HOF WRs or RBs.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Kelly in 4 years with Bills leading to his 29th Birthday: 59.2% Completion Percentage, 82.9% Rating, 81 TDs, 15.75 Ints/Season, 2 TDs Rushing. Wilson in 4 years leading up to 29th Birthday: 64.3% Completion Percentage, 98.3% Rating, 109 TDs, 9.25 Ints/Season, 11 TDs Rushing. Okay, different eras, grabbing WRs etc. But its not laughable at all. Wilson after next season will be on Kelly's career TD's and will be closing in on 30,000 yards passing with no HOF WRs or RBs. In an era in which passing stats are CHEAP. There's a reason there's been two QBs to break the yardage record the past decade.
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: In an era in which passing stats are CHEAP. There's a reason there's been two QBs to break the yardage record the past decade. You time machine Wilson to 1988 and he'd do fine. He's a heck of an athlete, durable, and has been good from Day One in the NFL.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: You time machine Wilson to 1988 and he'd do fine. He's a heck of an athlete, durable, and has been good from Day One in the NFL. Methinks you didn't watch much football back then. QBs weren't protected, hardly at all. They took vicious, sometimes career-ending hits.
ColoradoBills Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 24 minutes ago, warrior9 said: Wait... waht? What did we analyze? You named players and the rounds they were drafted and called Russel Wilson a HOFer.... not really sure what you'er analyzing Anyway.... All you did there was prove you can with with D....Also, Vlad Duccasse is in the top 5 guards pass blocking wise this year....... I don't believe that but I do know he is ranked #2 among all Guards in the league for most penalties.
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