Boatdrinks Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: Losman at least completed bombs to Lee Evan for TDs every game it seemed Fwiw , in 38 appearances as Bills QB Losman connected with Evans for a TD 16 times. 13 of those were over 20 yards.
ctk232 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: It's actually really strange because usually a team is forcing turnovers because they have a good pass rush and that SHOULD translate to 3rd down defense. I just don't know what the deal is with the McDermott/Frazier defense where we damn near never force teams to kick field goals once they've reached a certain point on the field. Funny thing is, most of our turnovers come on QB pressures and forced fumbles - this is more a result of our tackling scheme of going for the ball. it's hurt us at times as well, but imho it's why you're seeing the turnovers we see. Far less to do with scheme, though you're right - logic would dictate that we'd be equally proficient on 3rd down. We're great at forcing turnovers until we can't, once we can stop teams on 3rd down AND force these fumbles, then I'll start to really believe. We also have to keep them off the field more, some of the red zone stats and 3rd downs are just us being tired from playing defense over 50% of the time. 1
BillsFan4 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 The Bills defense has been playing great. Its impressive when when you think that they really don’t have many (or any...) big name, high priced players. I believe Star is the highest paid at $10M. Even more impressive when when you consider all the young guys playing important roles (Edmunds, Milano, Johnson, White). It looks like McBeane has done a good job quickly making over that side of the ball. Now if they can do something similar for the offense over the next 2 years, we could be in very nice shape going forward.
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: The Bills defense has been playing great. Its impressive when when you think that they really don’t have many (or any...) big name, high priced players. I believe Star is the highest paid at $10M. Even more impressive when when you consider all the young guys playing important roles (Edmunds, Milano, Johnson, White). It looks like McBeane has done a good job quickly making over that side of the ball. Now if they can do something similar for the offense over the next 2 years, we could be in very nice shape going forward. I mean I expect a defensive coach to be good at defense. I worry about the defensive coach who is pretty much running the team being in charge of offense.
Big Turk Posted October 16, 2018 Author Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, ctk232 said: Also 27th in opp red zone scoring % (TD only) while we're adding caveats. Buttloads of turnovers will only take us so far, and we need to be careful with rankings and statistics. Shutting teams down on 3rd down, and preventing red zone conversions to me mark a top defense more so than any other stat. Forced turnovers are great, when you have an offense that can capitalize on them. Red zone would be another achilles heel to add for now... Is it really? Or did Baltimore and SD convert so much in the first game and a half that is significantly skews the stats? What is the red zone percentage in the last 4.5 games? I'll bet its top 10. 1
T master Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 As history goes in B/Lo one side of the ball is great the other side SUCKS !! I hope McD can get it together but its a tall task if he doesn't do what he said he would in that film he made this year ! As a reminder he said "who ever doesn't give their all will be sitting" or something like that so he should sit KB & a couple of others & bring back others like maybe Reilly to see what he could bring because it's got to be better than what he kept !!
Big Turk Posted October 16, 2018 Author Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, T master said: As history goes in B/Lo one side of the ball is great the other side SUCKS !! I hope McD can get it together but its a tall task if he doesn't do what he said he would in that film he made this year ! As a reminder he said "who ever doesn't give their all will be sitting" or something like that so he should sit KB & a couple of others & bring back others like maybe Reilly to see what he could bring because it's got to be better than what he kept !! Reilly was great against 3rd and 4th stringers and dudes out of the NFL working at Wal-Mart. Against NFL starters and backups not so much. Edited October 16, 2018 by matter2003
BillsFan4 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 14 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I mean I expect a defensive coach to be good at defense. I worry about the defensive coach who is pretty much running the team being in charge of offense. It doesn’t always work out that way though (that a defensive/offensive coach has a good defense/offense). Look at Bill O’Brien for example. He’s supposed to be an offensive guru and his defense has carried him almost his entire time in Houston. Or Doug Marrone, who’s defense carried him in buffalo and now (mostly) in Jacksonville. Or Rex Ryan in his time here... Id be a lot more worried If McDermott’s defense stunk. That would be highly concerning because that’s his area of expertise. I don’t think you have to discard McDermott just because he is a defensive minded coach though. It can take time for both sides of the ball to come together. Look around the NFL. How many teams are great on both sides of the ball? I totally get that people want a top tier offense. I do too. I get jealous watching these exciting offenses around the NFL. And offense is obviously a concern so far in McD’s tenure. But I feel like they really haven’t gotten around to building up the offensive side of the ball yet. McDermott obviously focused on building his defense first. Now that they have their (developmental) QB, I fully expect the offensive side of the ball to be the focus this coming offseason. So I am trying to at least reserve my judgement until then. And until Josh doesn’t look like he’s drowning anymore... which is probably my biggest concern at the moment (but I put drafting Allen more on Beane than McDermott. I am more concerned about our GM than I am about our head coach). 1
iinii Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 8:46 AM, Juice_32 said: Milano was so close to grabbing the fumble Hughes forced on the Texans last scoring drive. We'd have had the ball on the Texans 20 with 3 to go, oh well. Tell me your thoughts on the Chiefs D. The part about how Reggie Ragland was a beast on the inside, playing behind an undermanned front?
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 Awesome. Now it's just gonna go to waste because of that fool Daboll.
fridge Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 The third down stat is hilarious and embodies this franchise perfectly. I believe we gave up another 3rd and 15+ on Sunday, as is tradition.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 6:08 AM, Kevin1778 said: They are terrible on 3rd down and when the game is on the line. That is not a great defense. Troll? They are TERRIBLE on 3rd down. That means they don't produce when they need to. Just like in the last 4 minutes yesterday. All I am saying is they are OVERRATED. I'm curious if these 3rd down stats are still skewed by the first 1.5 games played to start the season. The further we get away from those games the better the numbers keep getting. Take away the first 1.5 games and the pick six and the defense is giving up something like 13 ppg. And this is all while being supported, or dragged down, by the worst offense in the league. The defense has simply been amazing considering the start to the season and the lack of offensive support. Overrated? Well, #3 is a very high ranking so i guess you could ague they are overrated. Where would you rank them top 10 still? Still not bad if so. I think the fact that they don't get any support from the offense actually makes it harder to say they are over rated though. And while the PI in the endzone hurt us, they did exactly what a great defense would be expected to do after that penalty. If the defense is a fraud the Texans score a TD there.
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 9:27 AM, Bangarang said: Another great defense wasted by a piss poor offense. Yeah, I know it sucks, but it's not surprising either. That's the side of the ball that they dumped most of their resources. Next year I'm guessing they do the opposite, but Kyle Williams most likely won't be here by then who's been an absolute force this year. On 10/15/2018 at 12:35 PM, billspro said: You are probably right. I didn’t look it up, I can’t remember a worse passing offense. Even the Losman era had more competent passing than this. The Loserman era looks like the 'greatest show on turf' compared to these bums.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 3 hours ago, fridge said: The third down stat is hilarious and embodies this franchise perfectly. I believe we gave up another 3rd and 15+ on Sunday, as is tradition. One or two bad plays Sunday and a crap pi in the EZ marred a great effort.
Hebert19 Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 9:08 AM, Kevin1778 said: They are terrible on 3rd down and when the game is on the line. That is not a great defense. Troll? They are TERRIBLE on 3rd down. That means they don't produce when they need to. Just like in the last 4 minutes yesterday. All I am saying is they are OVERRATED. They had let teams convert like 70 percent of 3rd downs in first 2 games so yes. Terrible in those games. Since then. Different story. 22 hours ago, ctk232 said: Also 27th in opp red zone scoring % (TD only) while we're adding caveats. Buttloads of turnovers will only take us so far, and we need to be careful with rankings and statistics. Shutting teams down on 3rd down, and preventing red zone conversions to me mark a top defense more so than any other stat. Forced turnovers are great, when you have an offense that can capitalize on them. Red zone would be another achilles heel to add for now... Again. Not lately. Redzone we gave up 8 straight TDs to start the season. That will sku the average. Same with the 39 ppg thru the first 2. Everything has dropped since.
ctk232 Posted October 17, 2018 Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Hebert19 said: They had let teams convert like 70 percent of 3rd downs in first 2 games so yes. Terrible in those games. Since then. Different story. Again. Not lately. Redzone we gave up 8 straight TDs to start the season. That will sku the average. Same with the 39 ppg thru the first 2. Everything has dropped since. Tres valid in regards to averages - would still like to see the trend become a pattern become commonplace, as would we all. While many other factors come into play, our red zone defense didn't start showing they could put this together consistently until the Titans game; this is still the defense that put up those numbers against the Ravens, Chargers, and Packers. Let's wait more than five games to say our defense is a top 5 defense without the added caveat of *so far*, though I agree it's absolutely gotten better and turned around.
The_Dude Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 And what does the 3rd ranked defense coupled with the 32nd ranked offense net you?
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: And what does the 3rd ranked defense coupled with the 32nd ranked offense net you? Ulcers??? 1
The_Dude Posted October 18, 2018 Posted October 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Ulcers??? Bingo. 1
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