Not at the table Karlos Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: they should have hired jordan palmer as qb coach and not anderson. did we need a vet? yes but better than that. They won't hire Palmer because the nfl has rules on how much time team employees can spend with players. Palmer as of now can pretty much work with him whenever he wants for as long as he wants. Palmer also has other clients.
The Bills Blog Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Media pressure may eventually force the Bills' hand to replace Allen, and that is a crying shame.
jrober38 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 19 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: I would compare him to Goff. He was terrible his first year but really didn’t have many weapons. Why don’t we believe that getting him some good receivers next year year will make him a much better QB. I looking at the screen names of those complaining the loudest and they were many of the same people screaming for him to “learn on the job” Goff was an elite college football player who put up enormous numbers in the Pac-12. Unless Sean McVay is coming through the door as our coach, I don't think this comparison makes any sense. Guys like EJ Manuel, Blaine Gabbert, Kyle Boller, Christian Hackenberg are better comparisons. Big, strong, mobile QBs with good intangibles who struggled to play QB. 1
Success Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said: I was not able to watch the game live yesterday, but I just watched it and I have to say I am deeply troubled by the media and fan reaction. I thought Josh Allen clearly played his best game yesterday. There were a lot of bright spots and a lot of throws from the pocket. You also can't just throw out plays that were called back. They still show his development. It's highly disturbing that everyone is saying he was awful and needs to be be replaced. Yay! Sanity. Nice post. 1
Lofton80 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) Right now he reminds me of Tyrod Taylor. Takes off to run rather than letting plays develop. Difference is Tyrod was a veteran whereas Allan is young and may well develop into to great player. I don't see the Locker comparison at all. I assume Locker was a bust so that is a convenient name to throw out there. Next it will be he's a dead ringer for Kyle Boller or the next Ryan Leaf. Growing pains are tough but I say give the kid some time. Edited October 15, 2018 by Lofton80
xsoldier54 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 If you don't have the stomach to watch a rookie QB learn and grow, then you probably shouldn't be watching. All rookies struggle and make mistakes. Allen will be a very good QB in this league for a very long time. This team ain't gonna win the SB this year anyway, so let's just have a little patience with him and see what he can become. 2 1
DasNootz Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Lofton80 said: Right now he reminds me of Tyrod Taylor. Takes off to run rather than letting plays develop. Difference is Tyrod was a veteran whereas Allan is young and may well develop into to great player. I don't see the Locker comparison at all. I assume Locker was a bust so that is a convenient name to throw out there. Next it will be he's a dead ringer for Kyle Boller or the next Ryan Leaf. Growing pains are tough but I say give the kid some time. If Anderson starts next week, we'll know a lot about Allen's development. Anderson has proven to be a capable NFL QB. If comes in with one week of work and throws for 275 and a couple scores we know that it's as much Allen as it is the WRs.
BobChalmers Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Juice_32 said: I went back and re-watched on gamepass and he actually played better than I thought when watching it live. Most of the times he bailed out of the pocket there was nothing. The one thing I'd really like to see him do better is check out of runs that are set up for failure from the start. Yeah - but that's too hard for these Bills "fans" - they'd rather just give up after FIVE WEEKS - it's what they've been trained to do. 11 minutes ago, Lofton80 said: Right now he reminds me of Tyrod Taylor. Takes off to run rather than letting plays develop. Difference is Tyrod was a veteran whereas Allan is young and may well develop into to great player. I don't see the Locker comparison at all. I assume Locker was a bust so that is a convenient name to throw out there. Next it will be he's a dead ringer for Kyle Boller or the next Ryan Leaf. Growing pains are tough but I say give the kid some time. This - RIGHT NOW he reminds me of Tyrod, only a lot taller/stronger. But that's Allen as a 5-GAME rookie. For Tyrod it's his upside. If Allen is still throwing for 150 yds a game in two years we can give up. 1
Jamie Mueller Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Allen to me is a raw less accurate EJ. I felt better about EJ at the same point in their careers. Sigh...
Reed83HOF Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 46 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Josh Allen is proof that we have no patience to develop a QB. What was said about Allen? He was a project. But how many people said start him anyway? "He'll learn on the job!" "Let's see what we have in him!" Well there you go. 5 starts and we are ready to dump him. I knew this was how it would play out. It would have been ideal to start getting him in games little by little to get used to the speed, making reads and applying what he was learning while sitting. Not bringing in a true older vet to help him learn (The Jests got his right with McCown) until week 6 is par for the course with this franchise. I suppose the par for the course comment could also be applied to not actually bringing in someone who can actually develop a QB from a coaching standpoint as well. Further more, since we didn't actually do any of the above - you would think that the FO and Coaching staff might have tried to get some offensive players to you know help Nate & Josh (or AJ). I get that Defense is McD's specialty, but I knew going into this season the offense was going to be a train wreck. Why would you fail to do all of this when you drafted the one first round QB who is a major project. If we drafted the other Josh that would be one thing... 10 minutes ago, BobChalmers said: Yeah - but that's too hard for these Bills "fans" - they'd rather just give up after FIVE WEEKS - it's what they've been trained to do. This - RIGHT NOW he reminds me of Tyrod, only a lot taller/stronger. But that's Allen as a 5-GAME rookie. For Tyrod it's his upside. If Allen is still throwing for 150 yds a game in two years we can give up. I dunno if we need to wait 2 years, we should know next season IMO; provided we get "good" offensive players in the draft and in FA
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Jamie Mueller said: Sigh... Where has allen been better than ej at the same point in their careers? They both have similar problems. They're pretty much the same qb right now. Hopefully allen progresses but he has a very long way to go. Edited October 15, 2018 by Not at the table Karlos
MAJBobby Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 58 minutes ago, NewEra said: Until I see Anderson play with this offense, I’ll withhold judgement on who is the better QB. Allen’s pocket presence is a major problem. Drop back, first read covered, run, get hit. If our number 1 priority is to win this season, Anderson might be the best bet. Still an unknown though. Allen is currently a slower mike Vick in Madden. The No 1 priority should be getting Allen as many reps as possible. If that isnt than it is just another questionable decision from McD
Mark Vader Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Juice_32 said: I went back and re-watched on gamepass and he actually played better than I thought when watching it live. Most of the times he bailed out of the pocket there was nothing. The one thing I'd really like to see him do better is check out of runs that are set up for failure from the start. I re-watched the play when the Bills were 3rd & Goal at the 4, and Allen bailed out of the pocket too early. However, none of our receivers were open on that play. Zay Jones was open very late on the play and Allen threw to him but it was batted down. Had Allen thrown the ball higher, he might have had a touchdown, but that's a big maybe. Allen did not look as awful yesterday as some fans are portraying him to be. In fact he was doing good enough to win, and I believe they would have won had he not gotten hurt. 2
starrymessenger Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, DasNootz said: If Anderson starts next week, we'll know a lot about Allen's development. Anderson has proven to be a capable NFL QB. If comes in with one week of work and throws for 275 and a couple scores we know that it's as much Allen as it is the WRs. Right now it is more Allen (with maybe some Daboll mixed in) than the WRs and the rest of the offence. I have no doubt that our passing game would be much more productive if we had a good, starting calibre NFL QB. But right now we don't have that. And I say that fully realizing that the WR corps is hardly a strength of this team. Its really not fair however to expect more from Allen right now. Based on the crooked path on which he began his football journey it's hardly surprising that he is a sandlot variety thrower/runner rather than a polished passer. If he had the benefit of playing three years in a big school program with excellent and intensive coaching the way the other 1st rounders did we would today have a much better idea of what his prospects for development might be. And that's one reason he should not be compared to EJ who had some of the best QB coaching available to college players and still had issues. And the decision to go with Allen was not all just blind speck. He frequently enough makes plays that someone like EJ never did or could. That's why he was a first round talent and EJ, not Josh, should have been drafted in the third or fourth round.
Jay_Fixit Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) Actually, Locker played pretty well when he was healthy. So no. I wish Allen was Locker at the moment. The Titans also redshirted him his rookie year. Like the Bills could and should have done with Allen. Edited October 15, 2018 by Jay_Fixit
gobills1212 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Bills fans suck. 5 games in and the fan base has turned on Allen already. We all know he is a raw project with a high ceiling so he is going to need minimum 2 years. Just get used to it. If you want to blame Beane/McDermott for not having a capable veteran in here than that is valid. Just copying so other people later in the convo see this too. He may be good, he may not. If the fans were in charge we could have the 2nd incarnation of peyton manning and we'd never know bc hed be run out of town after his 1st few games looking shaky. The correct response to 9 out of 10 new threads today could be 'STOP AND TRY HAVING SOME PATIENCE '. Id hate to see what this place will look like once the Bills actually have a REAL problem. 1 1
LABILLBACKER Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) Not a terrible comparison but it's still way too early and besides he has zero wr's and oline. I'd be lying if I said there weren't concerns early in this kids seasoning. His accuracy or lack thereof is the number one concern. And you also have to figure that Peterman and Anderson are both gone at the end of the season so we're going to have to draft somebody regardless of the round. Edited October 15, 2018 by LABILLBACKER
billspro Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: Locker was a better player. He was a decent football player who was undone by his accuracy, but he understood how to play the game. Allen looks a lot like Blaine Gabbert. Same pros and cons. Allen and Gabbert have no similarities at all.
ngbills Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: Nobody seems upset that Peterman is being run out of town after the same amount of games. I get it though, one wasn’t hyped to be our franchise guy. Peterman is a late round draft pick that should not even be on an NFL roster.
RyanC883 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 2 hours ago, LeGOATski said: He hasn't improved yet. We really need to see what he looks like next year after having the season and a full off-season as the starter. I'm all for drafting another QB in the mid rounds. same here. there should be some decent ones available. QB from Northwestern looks great. I started a thread on this 2 weeks ago and got flamed, likely from the same people now claiming that Allen is a bust (which I was not claiming then or now)
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