PolishPrince Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: It's never been this bad. We have an historically bad offense right now that's averaging under 13 points per game. And we have historically bad "weapons." Tyrod Orton and Manuel had Watkins, Woods, Goodwin, Hogan... All solid options on other teams.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, WRONG JOSH said: I feel like maybe there was another option in the draft thatwasmore nfl ready How's Rosey doing these days ??
BringBackOrton Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Figster said: Allen is as advertised, dripping with raw talent, but a project. Thanks to Beane head Buffalo had to speed up the process. I like what I'm seeing... The project label is overblown. There are very few QBs in the college game drafted highly that don't have things to work on. Allen got by in college with his arm strength, which led to some sloppy footwork and throwing habits. You draft a young QB, surround him with players who can get him feeling comfortable, and work on whatever faults they have. We just haven't done step 2 yet. 5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: He didn't play well enough to win. He was awful. That was a won in spite of him. And I like him a lot. He threw a bunch of nice balls. But he was awful. They won because of the pick six, they didn't score on a first and goal from the one after an interference in the endzone call. He was extremely careless with the ball. I'm sorry, your call cannot be completed as dialed. Please hang up and try again. He got the win. Ergo, played well enough to win. See Bills v Titans 10/7/18 for more info.
LFC24 Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Wrong. Allen was a clear 1st round prospect due to his physical abilities. He has more arm talent than 3/4ths of NFL QBs. no one gives a **** about arm talent dude. the best QB's in the NFL don't even have strong arms. Accuracy and reading defenses are really the only thing that matters. Allens deep ball is horribly inaccurate, half the time the ball sails 30 yards over the WR's head or straight out of bounds.
JMF2006 Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 Cut him right now There must be some 30 something journeyman scrub like Kyle Orton that could bring in to replace him
Wayne Arnold Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Iverwig said: Keep in mind Allen should not be playing this year. Most scouts said he needed to sit and work on some things but yet the Bills have run him out there and fans expect him to be a star. It wasn’t going to happen this year and he along with the team QB position have suffered due to an incompetent staff and organization. Totally predictable, though. Football fans, in general, are basically neanderthals.
jrober38 Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, PolishPrince said: And we have historically bad "weapons." Tyrod Orton and Manuel had Watkins, Woods, Goodwin, Hogan... All solid options on other teams. Tyrod had the exact same supporting cast last year. The supporting cast is awful, but the QB play is by far the worst in the NFL.
Kelly the Dog Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, LFC24 said: no one gives a **** about arm talent dude. the best QB's in the NFL don't even have strong arms. Accuracy and reading defenses are really the only thing that matters. Allens deep ball is horribly inaccurate, half the time the ball sails 30 yards over the WR's head or straight out of bounds. Aaron Rogers? He's 1-2
Success Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 Mock drafts and scouting reports are easy to find. If you start trying to claim that most or even any had Allen as a middle or late rounder, that’s a pretty easy thing to debunk. Clearly, he was a highly touted prospect, who many had as a top 10 pick, and basically everyone had going in the first round.
Wayne Arnold Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, LFC24 said: the best QB's in the NFL don't even have strong arms. 1
BringBackOrton Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, LFC24 said: no one gives a **** about arm talent dude. the best QB's in the NFL don't even have strong arms. Accuracy and reading defenses are really the only thing that matters. Allens deep ball is horribly inaccurate, half the time the ball sails 30 yards over the WR's head or straight out of bounds. Ha ha okay dude!
Figster Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: The project label is overblown. There are very few QBs in the college game drafted highly that don't have things to work on. Allen got by in college with his arm strength, which led to some sloppy footwork and throwing habits. You draft a young QB, surround him with players who can get him feeling comfortable, and work on whatever faults they have. We just haven't done step 2 yet. I was against starting J A this quick, but I'm not hating it because Allen seems to be taking it all in stride in my humble opinion. 2
BringBackOrton Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Figster said: I was against starting J A this quick, but I'm not hating it because Allen seems to be taking it all in stride in my humble opinion. Short of finding an offensive savant coach, Allen was always going to have to take his lumps like most young QBs. 1
JoPar_v2 Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 The only thing i’ve seen so far that has been “as advertised” and has actually helped the team is his running ability. For such a big kid he is very fast and surprisingly elusive when he gets to the 2nd and 3rd levels on the run. The arm strength is obviously there as well - and I haven’t seen it contribute to any plus plays thus far. Allen’s simply too raw, too skittish, too inside his own head and way too inaccurate for his cannon arm to make any sort of difference. Blame his weapons (they are getting open), blame his line (they are protecting adequately) all you want. You’re just making excuses and sticking your head in the sand. 2
Kelly the Dog Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, Figster said: I was against starting J A this quick, but I'm not hating it because Allen seems to be taking it all in stride in my humble opinion. I agree. I was always for starting him but not expecting him to do well. I think this is invaluable experience for a raw rookie. The only problem is if it hurts his confidence and I just don't see that in a guy like him. 1
fansince88 Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: He has 2 years like I give every QB Tell me Nate has used his 2 years up already.
Kelly the Dog Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said: The only thing i’ve seen so far that has been “as advertised” and has actually helped the team is his running ability. For such a big kid he is very fast and surprisingly elusive when he gets to the 2nd and 3rd levels on the run. The arm strength is obviously there as well - and I haven’t seen it contribute to any plus plays thus far. Allen’s simply too raw, too skittish, too inside his own head and way too inaccurate for his cannon arm to make any sort of difference. Blame his weapons (they are getting open), blame his line (they are protecting adequately) all you want. You’re just making excuses and sticking your head in the sand. His strong arm has contributed to at least a third of his completions so far. That's nonsense. 1
LabattBlue Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 The Bills weren’t winning that game with or without Allen getting hurt. They were lucky to win one game when your QB can’t eclipse the 100 yard mark. They weren’t doing it two weeks in a row.
nedboy7 Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 I don't think the question is can Allen become a good QB. The question is can this staff develop him properly. 1
Wayne Arnold Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, JoPar_v2 said: The arm strength is obviously there as well - and I haven’t seen it contribute to any plus plays thus far. Allen’s simply too raw, too skittish, too inside his own head and way too inaccurate for his cannon arm to make any sort of difference. You must have been in the bathroom on those throws today.
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