Albwan Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: A fight, it was a fist fight. Ok. that trump personally started ! 1
Tiberius Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Albwan said: that trump personally started ! It's sad that the Turkish government is the one that is bringing the light to this whole thing. While Trump is praising a thug for physically attacking a journalist.
Albwan Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 Funny how dems are so upset about this, but never hear a peep about mexicans getting literally mass slaughtered, including journalists... What say you **** schumer 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: It's sad that the Turkish government is the one that is bringing the light to this whole thing. While Trump is praising a thug for physically attacking a journalist. I don't watch cnn so i missed that bit of (lol) news.
bdutton Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 Yep.... The Saudis own his death now. Its not pretty. The excuse is extraordinarily thin. Patsies have been arrested/killed. The King has stepped in to exert his authority over this mess. Does this change our relationship with the Kingdom? Not materially. Expect Trump to tweet that he's happy that the King has taken responsibility and arrested the people responsible for this heinous crime. The Saudis arrested will probably be given new identities and slip back into the public after their deaths have been 'arranged'. Its not pretty and hopefully, the Saudis learn from this.
DC Tom Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 41 minutes ago, Albwan said: that trump personally started ! By throwing ice!
Koko78 Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 5 hours ago, DC Tom said: By throwing ice! That's what happens when you spike the punch at a gang-rape party.
Doc Brown Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Tiberius said: It's sad that the Turkish government is the one that is bringing the light to this whole thing. While Trump is praising a thug for physically attacking a journalist. It's a ludicrous connection to make. You can point out the hypocrisy with Trump generalizing that all Democrats are a mob (while it's just a sliver of people with nothing else better to do) while he praises a GOP congressman for attacking a journalist which he plead guilty to a misdemeanor for. A foreign government we're in bed with possibly killing a Washington Post reporter and chopping him into little pieces is completely different than a Congressman who lost his cool and bodyslammed a reporter. Edited October 20, 2018 by Doc Brown
3rdnlng Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 Yes, Saudi Arabia is aligned with us politically in the ME and a large part of our geopolitical plan there. We know that they are a strict and unbending society and routinely dish out harsh punishments to criminals and dissidents. It makes no sense for the Saudi government to sanction the killing and dismemberment of Khashoggi. If they wanted him dead they could have kidnapped him and rendered him to his homeland and dealt with him there. Something happened at the consulate that was unexpected and it was handled poorly. It would appear that Kashoggi's death was the result of something that went terribly wrong either by government agents or rogue actors, but not something that any reasonable government official would plan or condone. Much of the civilized world is up in arms over this killing and yes it is tragic, but in the overall picture it means very little in comparison to all of the bad actor's acts in the Middle East. Hopefully our policies in the Middle East (that include Saudi Arabia's help) will eventually lead to less violence and more individual freedoms. Kashoggi's death, although tragic should be condemned but then put aside as we continue our quest to make the area more peaceful for millions.
keepthefaith Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 4 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Yes, Saudi Arabia is aligned with us politically in the ME and a large part of our geopolitical plan there. We know that they are a strict and unbending society and routinely dish out harsh punishments to criminals and dissidents. It makes no sense for the Saudi government to sanction the killing and dismemberment of Khashoggi. If they wanted him dead they could have kidnapped him and rendered him to his homeland and dealt with him there. Something happened at the consulate that was unexpected and it was handled poorly. It would appear that Kashoggi's death was the result of something that went terribly wrong either by government agents or rogue actors, but not something that any reasonable government official would plan or condone. Much of the civilized world is up in arms over this killing and yes it is tragic, but in the overall picture it means very little in comparison to all of the bad actor's acts in the Middle East. Hopefully our policies in the Middle East (that include Saudi Arabia's help) will eventually lead to less violence and more individual freedoms. Kashoggi's death, although tragic should be condemned but then put aside as we continue our quest to make the area more peaceful for millions. Agree and I'm a little dumbfounded by how much air time this story is getting. He was a Saudi citizen, not an American right? This really falls under the "we have bigger fish to fry" category IMO. It's really none of our business unless we suddenly want to adjudicate every murder that happens on the globe. We have more meaningful and egregious murders happening here every day. Meanwhile $22T in debt and entitlement costs exploding - nobody is talking about that.
boyst Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 I honestly don't give a ***** that some dude who's name I cannot pronounce got deaded.
IDBillzFan Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, keepthefaith said: Agree and I'm a little dumbfounded by how much air time this story is getting. I've been thinking about this all week. I have little knowledge about Khashoggi, and when I initially saw his name showing up on Twitter, all I was able to gather was that this is a sometime journalist with deep ties to bad people who ended up sliced and diced and dead. But the more I read, the more you see a pattern of why this is being covered so much. It's simply Trump's fault that a 'journalist' is dead. Then this caught my eye... Edited October 20, 2018 by LABillzFan
DC Tom Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: I've been thinking about this all week. I have little knowledge about Khashoggi, and when I initially saw his name showing up on Twitter, all I was able to gather was that this is a sometime journalist with deep ties to bad people who ended up sliced and diced and dead. But the more I read, the more you see a pattern of why this is being covered so much. It's simply Trump's fault that a 'journalist' is dead. Then this caught my eye... They started establishing this "The White House is complicit" narrative during the Kavanaugh hearings. The State Department's been on the Saudis from the start to explain themselves, but the media didn't pick up on it until a week later, with "Why isn't the President doing anything?" stories that basically came down to "Trump hasn't done anything, because we haven't reported it, which proves he doesn't care!" The news media in the US is worse than useless at this point.
/dev/null Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: The news media in the US is worse than useless at this point. I disagree. The news media in the US has a definite use and purpose: To push the Democrat narrative 1
Deranged Rhino Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 No media outcry over this detention (and possible death)... This should be illuminating to anyone who wonders about the biased nature of our corporate media establishment. They have long been on both the Saudi and Chinese payrolls through investments and advertisement... as well as Iran and "others". China, who is not a strategic partner of the US and is in fact a foe in many, many areas, gets a pass while the Kingdom, who's literally fighting side by side with the US against Islamic fascism across multiple regions, is made out to be worse than Stalin's regime. They think we're stupid. But we're not. Learn from this.
Albwan Posted October 20, 2018 Posted October 20, 2018 33 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: No media outcry over this detention (and possible death)... This should be illuminating to anyone who wonders about the biased nature of our corporate media establishment. They have long been on both the Saudi and Chinese payrolls through investments and advertisement... as well as Iran and "others". China, who is not a strategic partner of the US and is in fact a foe in many, many areas, gets a pass while the Kingdom, who's literally fighting side by side with the US against Islamic fascism across multiple regions, is made out to be worse than Stalin's regime. They think we're stupid. But we're not. Learn from this. They don't think we're stupid, they think they have us under control with their angry npc mobs. 2
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