Magox Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Tiberius said: What happened was Biden won South Carolina like he was counting on doing. Bernie couldn't win there and didn't. That had nothing to do with a CNN interview. Biden just won the people of the state over and he will win most of the votes in November, too. If that's enough to carry him over the handicap of the EC we will see. I suspect it will and we will have a new president next year. Biden would have won S.C without the Anderson Cooper interview. That's not what I'm saying. Oh nevermind.
Tiberius Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Magox said: Biden would have won S.C without the Anderson Cooper interview. That's not what I'm saying. Oh nevermind. Bernie had no real path to the nomination. I do think it's funny that Trump wants to rely on socialist Bernie voters to win while railing against socialism, whf?? lol
Magox Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Bernie had no real path to the nomination. I do think it's funny that Trump wants to rely on socialist Bernie voters to win while railing against socialism, whf?? lol I'm not talking about what Trump wants. I was responding to Kay. And I am certain that without that disastrous Anderson Cooper interview, that they would still be running a heated campaign against each other.
Tiberius Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, Magox said: I'm not talking about what Trump wants. I was responding to Kay. And I am certain that without that disastrous Anderson Cooper interview, that they would still be running a heated campaign against each other. I've never heard about this super important, nomination shattering interview. Sounds like a real nothingburger. Seems to me there are Trump Trolls about trying to divide Democrats, good luck!
Magox Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 42 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I've never heard about this super important, nomination shattering interview. Sounds like a real nothingburger. Seems to me there are Trump Trolls about trying to divide Democrats, good luck! You're an idiot. Congratulations for being the very first person I am putting on ignore. 1 2
Tiberius Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Magox said: You're an idiot. Congratulations for being the very first person I am putting on ignore. I lost Magox! ?
snafu Posted April 14, 2020 Author Posted April 14, 2020 3 hours ago, RealKayAdams said: I’d rephrase slightly as: “nice job mainstream media. You really know how to pick them.” Since day one, the media has been deliberately and relentlessly molding the narrative on every Democrat candidate in order to achieve a desired result for their corporate donors. Biden was never vetted in a primary process where the main point was supposed to be doing just that for each candidate. Makes ya wonder if even just one of those nondescript, uncharismatic, white male candidates from back in the day (your choice among Bennett, Delaney, Bullock, Moulton, Inslee, Sestak, Hickenlooper) could have been a better option – if given a fair chance from the media – than a senile rapist who has been wrong on every major political issue from the past five decades? Bernie could have blown up the convention this time around if he wanted to, and he would have had the credibility to do so, but he wimped out a second time. He had the chance to make his ultra progressive platform *the* standard of the D party going into the future, but either (a) he’s too sold out to do so, or (b) too lazy and weak, (c) doesn’t see his own “revolution” as having any future success. I think it is all three. He obviously hasn’t looked into the future as an old idealogue because he hasn’t really propped up a likely successor to his movement, and he hasn’t ever tried to make a viable third party. That’s something he should have done 4 years ago. Someone not named Sanders will emerge and be more forceful. As to the bolded — Delaney. Only nobody listens to the guy.
B-Man Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Why Biden’s Polling Lead vs. Trump Isn’t as Solid as It Looks New York Times, by Nate Cohen Original Article Behind the scenes: 1 1
B-Man Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Sanders campaign spokeswoman: ‘I don’t endorse Joe Biden.’ . 1 1
Foxx Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Tiberius said: What happened was Biden won South Carolina like he was counting on doing. Bernie couldn't win there and didn't. That had nothing to do with a CNN interview. Biden just won the people of the state over and he will win most of the votes in November, too. If that's enough to carry him over the handicap of the EC we will see. I suspect it will and we will have a new president next year. everything O'Biden has today, he owes to Jim Clyburn. had Clyburn not endorsed the demented one, there is a pretty good chance that Burnie would be the presumptive candidate today. 2
Albwan Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 6 hours ago, /dev/null said: I bet he got another house. 1
3rdnlng Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Albwan said: I bet he got another house. I hope it's an outhouse. 1
Nanker Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 Bernie never wanted to become President. He ran for the adulation and money he received. He’s a hypocritical attention w ***** e. 3
Bill from NYC Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 3 hours ago, snafu said: Someone not named Sanders will emerge and be more forceful. How about AOC, or the other pig who hates Jews and married her brother? 1
Magox Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Why Biden’s Polling Lead vs. Trump Isn’t as Solid as It Looks New York Times, by Nate Cohen Original Article Behind the scenes: 7 months before the 2016 elections according to RCP Hillary had a 9 point advantage over Trump in the national polls. We all saw how that worked out. 2
Taro T Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 7 hours ago, RealKayAdams said: I’d rephrase slightly as: “nice job mainstream media. You really know how to pick them.” Since day one, the media has been deliberately and relentlessly molding the narrative on every Democrat candidate in order to achieve a desired result for their corporate donors. Biden was never vetted in a primary process where the main point was supposed to be doing just that for each candidate. Makes ya wonder if even just one of those nondescript, uncharismatic, white male candidates from back in the day (your choice among Bennett, Delaney, Bullock, Moulton, Inslee, Sestak, Hickenlooper) could have been a better option – if given a fair chance from the media – than a senile rapist who has been wrong on every major political issue from the past five decades? As I’ve said all along, forcing a Biden matchup versus Trump cements the 2016 political realignment of the Democrats as the party of reckless economic globalism and regime-change foreign interventionism. The Democrats were supposed to be the party of the working class and the party of peace. And then here we see Trump slide ever so slightly to the left of Joe with $1200 checks and COVID-19 medical relief and student debt relief, while Joe BYE-DONE continues fumbling around in his house with Zoom during a pandemic. Donald Trump is now the presidential candidate for the progressive left…oh my. Can’t help but wonder how much longer the mainstream media can continue gaslighting us with the Joe charade. That coronavirus leadership poll highlights America’s emerging awareness that Joe is probably in the early stages of dementia. The media still likes to point out his competitiveness by referencing national polls from the past week which have him holding anywhere between a tie with Trump and an 11% lead. My big counterpoint is the devastating presidential candidate enthusiasm poll from two weeks back. Even if more Americans prefer Biden, all that matters are the votes from people motivated enough to – you know – go out and vote. I believe we are looking at a complete meltdown of the white working class and the under-40 voting blocs that have formerly buttressed the Democratic Party throughout this era of neoliberalism. The mainstream media, of course, isn’t capable of self-reflection and will eventually blame everyone else for Biden’s inevitable November loss. Any guesses as to whom their favorite target will be? Answer: Bernie Brothers and Sanders Sisters. The voter shaming has already begun with the usual media personalities. They frame the situation as intransigent Millenials and unsophisticated idealists choosing revolution over sensible incrementalism. Why won’t they just accept Biden’s false promises of watered-down public policy scraps? Don’t they know progressive platforms can’t win elections (except when they sort of did twice in 1992 and 2008 while centrists lost 1984 and 1988 and 2000 and 2004 and 2016 and, yes, 2020…but whatever)? That COVID-19 bandana pic from an online Bernie Bro bully must mean he is getting ready for a violent ANTIFA strike. “Closet Trump supporter” is the accusation du jour. This one’s my favorite: in typical Dem establishment style, they are accusing select Bernie supporters of being Russian assets, which to be perfectly frank sounds super exciting! As soon as Putin gives me the orders, Kaytlana Adamsnova be rolling into Milwaukee’s Fiserv Forum like: The media definitely helped Biden get through to the finish line of the preliminary race. But, ironically, their helping push 45 through HIS preliminary race back in '16, which backfired spectacularly for them in the General Election when their chosen one, the one that they helped through to the D's preliminary race back then, lost bigly to him, will end up dooming their efforts again in '20. They thought that The Donald was the 1 guy on the R side that absolutely positively couldn't beat Hillary in the General and pushed him hard early in the R primaries. They just failed to realize how frustrated a lot of people were with the Washington insiders and ended up pushing a guy that clicked with those voters and actually found the 1 guy that could beat the Clinton machine. Their putting their thumb on the scale isn't nearly as transparent as it was in the past. You definitely have reason to be mad at them. But, until 44 finally endored him today, thought for sure the D's would draft somebody (not named Bernie) to replace Biden at the convention. Now, expect that Joe's their guy until the gory end. How, out of ~100MM D's HE is their choice as the best choice, is simply boggling (until corruption gets added into the equation). 4
Doc Brown Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 22 hours ago, snafu said: Bernie Sanders is a sellout pu$$y. Not really. If he believes in his progressive agenda long term then he absolutely had to endorse Biden given RGB isn't getting any younger. I predicted a long time ago that Bernie would quickly endorse Biden because he's more pragmatic than people think. Continuing political infighting would just drive the progressive wing further away and ensure a Trump victory. I know Republicans wanted him not to "sellout." 6 hours ago, Magox said: He was beginning to edge up to the high 30's and a gradual acceptance of him potentially being the nominee. If anyone is going to be honest about what happened, it's not as if Biden did something to make everyone coalesce around him at light speed. It was the fear of Bernie winning the nomination. That fear would have still existed without the Anderson Cooper interview but what that interview did was it crystalized that fear. Without that Anderson Cooper interview, the speed and rate of how everyone coalesced around Biden wouldn't have happened the way it played out. It truly was a perfect storm of events that happened. Apparantly Obama was the big behind the scnes player in all of that which is pry why it was executed to perfection given he's pry the most powerful person in the party still. I viewed the James Clyburn endorsement as basically Obama's endorsement in SC. The speed in which they coalesced around Biden was shocking and something the Republicans were unable to do against Trump. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted April 14, 2020 Posted April 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Not really. If he believes in his progressive agenda long term then he absolutely had to endorse Biden given RGB isn't getting any younger. Why defend him? He's truly not worth it, and his endorsement of Joe is a sell out move pure and simple. It wasn't done for the progressive cause. How does laying down with neoliberals (who are just neocons), who have been dangerously wrong at every turn on civil liberties, due process, foreign policy, and have never once "led" the way on any meaningful progressive platform (they led from behind on gay marriage, from behind on ending regime change, from behind even on health care)? It does nothing to help the progressive movement -- especially when you're talking about SCOTUS picks. Why would the neoliberal/neocon wing pick someone other than a puppet for their own agendas (as they've done every time the past 30 years)? Joe is establishment through and through -- same cloth as Clinton, Bush, and Obama. None were progressive champions, despite the PR. 1 1
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