Doc Brown Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 13 hours ago, snafu said: I wonder if the party will retain superdelegates, and if so, how they will break. Clinton had them all in the bag in 2016, making Sanders' improbable run nearly meaningless. Superdelegates won't be counted on the first ballot this time, but that's not why he lost. Sanders wouldn't have done as well if Clinton didn't clear the field of the more moderate candidates thinking of challenging Clinton (Biden, Cuomo, Hickenlooper, Klobuchar, etc.). The Clinton machine deterred them from running. Sanders was unique in that he was an Independent who just didn't give a damn about Hillary Clinton. He just put his message out there and the individual donations came pouring in. If their were more serious contenders to Clinton, I think his positions would've been scoffed at like Ron Paul was in the 2012 primaries and suffered a similar fate. However, now that he's well known and still popular with Democrats, Independents, and even some Trump voters (especially in the states like Michigan and Wisconsin where Bernie beat Hillary in the primaries), I predict he'll win the 2020 nomination if he runs to my dismay. Trump showed that people crave authenticity, an outsider to the establishment, and somebody that's loathed by insiders in both parties. Bernie Sanders fits that bill on the left. Sanders also probably has the best chance to turn the "blue wall" blue again converting enough blue collar workers in those states away from Trump to carry some of those Midwest states blue that Trump won. The flip side to that is he may have trouble with minority voter enthusiasm for him. That's where the vice president pick will be key. Or I could be wrong and we'll have a Harris/Warren ticket that's sure to lose.
ALF Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 Since Sanders will be 79 by the 2020 election I would count him out except for who he endorses might matter.
snafu Posted October 12, 2018 Author Posted October 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Superdelegates won't be counted on the first ballot this time, but that's not why he lost. Sanders wouldn't have done as well if Clinton didn't clear the field of the more moderate candidates thinking of challenging Clinton (Biden, Cuomo, Hickenlooper, Klobuchar, etc.). The Clinton machine deterred them from running. Sanders was unique in that he was an Independent who just didn't give a damn about Hillary Clinton. He just put his message out there and the individual donations came pouring in. If their were more serious contenders to Clinton, I think his positions would've been scoffed at like Ron Paul was in the 2012 primaries and suffered a similar fate. However, now that he's well known and still popular with Democrats, Independents, and even some Trump voters (especially in the states like Michigan and Wisconsin where Bernie beat Hillary in the primaries), I predict he'll win the 2020 nomination if he runs to my dismay. Trump showed that people crave authenticity, an outsider to the establishment, and somebody that's loathed by insiders in both parties. Bernie Sanders fits that bill on the left. Sanders also probably has the best chance to turn the "blue wall" blue again converting enough blue collar workers in those states away from Trump to carry some of those Midwest states blue that Trump won. The flip side to that is he may have trouble with minority voter enthusiasm for him. That's where the vice president pick will be key. Or I could be wrong and we'll have a Harris/Warren ticket that's sure to lose. Sanders is going to have a hard time convincing me that he's an outsider. He pulled an "if you can't beat them, join them" by putting his name in for leader of the Democratic Party immediately after the 2016 election (if I remember right). If he runs as an outsider, he will be running as a phoney. At this point, he's just another Democrat who's trying to drag his party further toward socialism, because now he's doing it from the inside.
dpberr Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 Trump has a 50% approval rating. It doesn't matter who the Democrats put up in 2020 if it's that high at this time next year. 1
Tiberius Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, dpberr said: Trump has a 50% approval rating. It doesn't matter who the Democrats put up in 2020 if it's that high at this time next year. He does? Only on the Rasmussen poll which always gives him high numbers does he get to 50%. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
ALF Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 How the midterms turn out and the economy before the 2020 elections will be a factor. Going from one extreme to another just tears the country apart .
Buffalo_Gal Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 In regards to Bernie running again (who knows, he may need a fourth house), it is unlikely because he is a registered Independent. The DNC added a new rule earlier this year mandating that you actually be a D to run... The Democratic National Committee (DNC) adopted a new rule on Friday aimed at keeping outsider candidates like Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) from trying to clinch the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020. /snip A presidential candidate running for the Democratic nomination must be a member of the party, accept the Democratic nomination and “run and serve” as a member.DNC panel adopts rule requiring candidates to run, serve as a Democrat
Koko78 Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 26 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: In regards to Bernie running again (who knows, he may need a fourth house), it is unlikely because he is a registered Independent. The DNC added a new rule earlier this year mandating that you actually be a D to run... The Democratic National Committee (DNC) adopted a new rule on Friday aimed at keeping outsider candidates like Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) from trying to clinch the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020. /snip A presidential candidate running for the Democratic nomination must be a member of the party, accept the Democratic nomination and “run and serve” as a member.DNC panel adopts rule requiring candidates to run, serve as a Democrat Bernie gets around that, due to a change in the state Democrat party rules for Vermont. Quote They also cite a resolution passed earlier this year by the Vermont state party affirming that any federal candidate who receives its endorsement “shall be considered a member of the Democratic Party for all purposes and entitled to all the rights and privileges that come with such membership at the state and federal level.” https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/dnc-rule-democrats-bernie-sanders 2
B-Man Posted October 12, 2018 Posted October 12, 2018 At 70, she´s the youngest of the Dem front runners............? Run, Hillary, Runby Kyle Smith Original Article Can you feel the excitement? Hillary Clinton is in The Atlantic, telling us how democracy is in crisis. She is on CNN, telling Christiane Amanpour that only when Democrats win back both the House and the Senate, “that’s when civility can start again.” (Snip) Consider how Hillary Clinton is the embodiment of the Democratic party: Age: Hillary Clinton is 70. She, 69-year-old Elizabeth Warren, 75-year-old Joe Biden, and 77-year-old Bernie Sanders are the party’s liveliest, most dynamic figures, right up there with its Capitol Hill leaders: 78-year-old Nancy Pelosi, 79-year-old Steny Hoyer, and 85-year-old Dianne Feinstein, who is running for reelection.
DC Tom Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Where's Clinton?
3rdnlng Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Where's Clinton? She hasn't made it up the steps to the stage yet. 2
B-Man Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) Trump finally drove Elizabeth Warren crazy enough to release her DNA. That, or she’s likely running in 2020 and figured out that lying about her heritage wasn’t such a great look. BREAKING: Elizabeth Warren releases her DNA test: Yes, she is Native American https://thebea.st/2CKTsB0 Yes, she is … well sorta. As much as most Americans can likely claim. From the Daily Beast: Sen. Elizabeth Warren has taken the extraordinary step of releasing DNA test results that provide “strong evidence” that she has Native American ancestry, the Boston Globe reports. Extraordinary step....................Alrighty then. The analysis of Warren’s DNA was reportedly done by Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor, and shows that she had a Native American in her family tree dating back six to 10 generations. Six to 10 generations. LOL. Is discovering she is 1/512th Native American the narrative victory Elizabeth Warren thinks it is? We’re not sure this really helped Liz’s case. https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/10/15/heap-big-whoop-elizabeth-warren-releases-dna-to-prove-shes-this-much-native-american-and-omg-lol/ Edited October 15, 2018 by B-Man 4
Albwan Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, B-Man said: Trump finally drove Elizabeth Warren crazy enough to release her DNA. That, or she’s likely running in 2020 and figured out that lying about her heritage wasn’t such a great look. BREAKING: Elizabeth Warren releases her DNA test: Yes, she is Native American https://thebea.st/2CKTsB0 Yes, she is … well sorta. As much as most Americans can likely claim. From the Daily Beast: Sen. Elizabeth Warren has taken the extraordinary step of releasing DNA test results that provide “strong evidence” that she has Native American ancestry, the Boston Globe reports. Extraordinary step....................Alrighty then. The analysis of Warren’s DNA was reportedly done by Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor, and shows that she had a Native American in her family tree dating back six to 10 generations. Six to 10 generations. LOL. Is discovering she is 1/512th Native American the narrative victory Elizabeth Warren thinks it is? We’re not sure this really helped Liz’s case. https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/10/15/heap-big-whoop-elizabeth-warren-releases-dna-to-prove-shes-this-much-native-american-and-omg-lol/ It helps because cnn, msnbc, huff, and esquire will all scream victory and won't sorta retract with the real story until 3 days later. I wonder if this means Trump will have to give her a million bucks now.
Deranged Rhino Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Albwan said: I wonder if this means Trump will have to give her a million bucks now. 1
Koko78 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: That would be the ultimate trolling job for Trump to write her presidential campaign a check for $976.56... 2
Alaska Darin Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 I ate corn yesterday and plan on celebrating Thanksgiving. That makes me as much a native American as fauxcohontas. 1 1
Tiberius Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: I ate corn yesterday and plan on celebrating Thanksgiving. That makes me as much a native American as fauxcohontas. She's a politician, what do you expect? Just because she is going to beat Trump in the election shouldn't make any difference
Joe Miner Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said: I ate corn yesterday and plan on celebrating Thanksgiving. That makes me as much a native American as fauxcohontas. If you'd like to participate in a bad land deal with me, we can cement your status. 1
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