Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

13 minutes ago, Gavin in Va Beach said:

 

Translation: "I've been lying about being a Native American almost all my life, and since I've entered politics I've taken a lot of nutty positions and done some nutty things. So if everyone promises not to bring any of that up, I promise not to tell more lies. What? No my fingers weren't crossed."

 

Nailed it.

 

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

Uh... her whole career was built on disinformation.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, Chandemonium said:

Just curious, what lesson would you like the party to learn by losing with Bernie?

 

Also, Bloomberg is no moderate. He may not be a progressive socialist, but he’s a an authoritarian wannabe tyrant. 

Not to run a platform that is too liberal for a right of center country.  Bloomberg is the most moderate of any of the candidates and I heard the same criticism of another NYC billionaire four years ago.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

Uh... her whole career was built on disinformation.

 

….UM...ER...UH....OH.....WELL...OK.....Thanks Lizzie

 

[Chandemonium]

6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Not to run a platform that is too liberal for a right of center country.  Bloomberg is the most moderate of any of the candidates and I heard the same criticism of another NYC billionaire four years ago.

Thanks for the clarification. That’s what I thought you meant, but I wasn’t sure. WRT to the Trump vs. Bloomberg criticism comparison, I also heard that criticism of Trump 4 years ago, and still hear it today. To me the key difference is Bloomberg has a history of taking actions to that end in both his mayoral career and in the political nonprofit groups he has founded and funds.  

[Nanker]

Has Buttigieg responded to Mike’s Phauxahontess “I drink beer!” moment? Looks like Mikey likes it and is poaching/pandering for votes. 
 

 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

 

[B-Man]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

PENNSYLVANIA STAYS RED IF HE’S THE NOMINEE: 

 

Sanders introduces bill to ban fracking.

 

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

[section122]

Just a thought here....

 

I'm a Bernie supporter so let me get that out of the way.  First because Medicare for all is the most important issue to me.  I didn't vote Hillary (or Trump either went 3rd party hoping to get another party permanently on the ballot) because I didn't like her but I really didn't like how the DNC rigged the election for her.  After the election Bernie supporters were blamed for not falling in line and voting blue no matter what.

 

So what happens if Bernie wins the nomination?  Does the DNC fall in line?  Do all the blue no matter what people do as they said we should have done?  Does the DNC work to remove the man they have trumpeted as the most evil president ever?  I think we all know the answer to that.  I really want Bernie to win because he is the candidate I like the best but I also get a bonus of either watching the DNC expose themselves as complete and total frauds or maybe (pie in the sky moment here) doing the right thing and supporting the candidate the people chose instead of the one they chose.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Nanker]

1 hour ago, section122 said:

Just a thought here....

 

I'm a Bernie supporter so let me get that out of the way.  First because Medicare for all is the most important issue to me.  I didn't vote Hillary (or Trump either went 3rd party hoping to get another party permanently on the ballot) because I didn't like her but I really didn't like how the DNC rigged the election for her.  After the election Bernie supporters were blamed for not falling in line and voting blue no matter what.

 

So what happens if Bernie wins the nomination?  Does the DNC fall in line?  Do all the blue no matter what people do as they said we should have done?  Does the DNC work to remove the man they have trumpeted as the most evil president ever?  I think we all know the answer to that.  I really want Bernie to win because he is the candidate I like the best but I also get a bonus of either watching the DNC expose themselves as complete and total frauds or maybe (pie in the sky moment here) doing the right thing and supporting the candidate the people chose instead of the one they chose.

 

You must not be married or have children. You do know that Medicare is a single person insurance, and that it doesn't cover everything. And, that it's means tested - meaning that you don't pay a premium for it if you've worked and paid into the system for 7 1/2 years and don't earn over a certain amount. If you do, then you're assessed IRMAAs (Income Related Adjustment Amount) according to how much you earned. If you haven't paid into the system for that long, then the government will charge you for Part A coverage (currently $458 per each per month). Oh, and that's just Part A - which covers hospitalization charges. You will also have Part B - which can cover Physician's charges... but not all of them ($144.60 - $491.60 per each per month) so you need to BUY a Medicare Part B Supplemental insurance, but it still doesn't cover everything. It has limits and then there are the deductibles. That cost each person a few hundred bucks a month - depending on which insurer you choose. Remember, there are NO family Medicare plans. So if you have a wife and kids, pony up for each of them a few hundred bucks a month.

 

But wait... there's more (or less), let me talk about Medicare Part D - which is REQUIRED. That's prescription drug coverage . You get that in part from Medicare, but you have to buy an insurance policy - again for about a hundred bucks a month - per head in your household. But remember I mentioned means testing and IRMAAs? That goes for Medicare Prescription coverage too (from $0.00 additional to as much as $76.40 a month per each person). 

 

If Bernie wins, I hope you get what you've asked for. I really do. 

 

Medicare Part A Costs

Medicare Part B Costs

Medicare Pare D Costs

 

https://www.medicare.gov

 

[3rdnlng]

2 hours ago, section122 said:

Just a thought here....

 

I'm a Bernie supporter so let me get that out of the way.  First because Medicare for all is the most important issue to me.  I didn't vote Hillary (or Trump either went 3rd party hoping to get another party permanently on the ballot) because I didn't like her but I really didn't like how the DNC rigged the election for her.  After the election Bernie supporters were blamed for not falling in line and voting blue no matter what.

 

So what happens if Bernie wins the nomination?  Does the DNC fall in line?  Do all the blue no matter what people do as they said we should have done?  Does the DNC work to remove the man they have trumpeted as the most evil president ever?  I think we all know the answer to that.  I really want Bernie to win because he is the candidate I like the best but I also get a bonus of either watching the DNC expose themselves as complete and total frauds or maybe (pie in the sky moment here) doing the right thing and supporting the candidate the people chose instead of the one they chose.

All of this is moot.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

....I have to agree with her....damn media accused her of telling the truth................that type of disinformation online should be a felony...............

[section122]

1 hour ago, Nanker said:

 

You must not be married or have children. You do know that Medicare is a single person insurance, and that it doesn't cover everything. And, that it's means tested - meaning that you don't pay a premium for it if you've worked and paid into the system for 7 1/2 years and don't earn over a certain amount. If you do, then you're assessed IRMAAs (Income Related Adjustment Amount) according to how much you earned. If you haven't paid into the system for that long, then the government will charge you for Part A coverage (currently $458 per each per month). Oh, and that's just Part A - which covers hospitalization charges. You will also have Part B - which can cover Physician's charges... but not all of them ($144.60 - $491.60 per each per month) so you need to BUY a Medicare Part B Supplemental insurance, but it still doesn't cover everything. It has limits and then there are the deductibles. That cost each person a few hundred bucks a month - depending on which insurer you choose. Remember, there are NO family Medicare plans. So if you have a wife and kids, pony up for each of them a few hundred bucks a month.

 

But wait... there's more (or less), let me talk about Medicare Part D - which is REQUIRED. That's prescription drug coverage . You get that in part from Medicare, but you have to buy an insurance policy - again for about a hundred bucks a month - per head in your household. But remember I mentioned means testing and IRMAAs? That goes for Medicare Prescription coverage too (from $0.00 additional to as much as $76.40 a month per each person). 

 

If Bernie wins, I hope you get what you've asked for. I really do. 

 

Medicare Part A Costs

Medicare Part B Costs

Medicare Pare D Costs

 

https://www.medicare.gov

 

 

I wonder what type of insurance you have and how you pay for it.  Is it tied to your employment?  If you lose your job do you lose your health insurance?

 

I am very well versed in all of this.  Yes I am married and yes I have kids.  Both my wife and I have worked long enough that part A doesn't apply to us.  Yes this system will be paid for by everyone in the form of taxes.  I appreciate your concern over the costs but currently many people pay much more for this for insurance.  The average person pays $5000 for health care each year.  From the article:

 

Yet it’s difficult to predict exactly how much Americans would pay with a Medicare for All plan. On the surface, the average person currently spends less on out-of-pocket costs when using a private, employer-based insurance than Medicare. But Medicare currently serves a predominantly elderly population who typically require more health care and therefore spend more.

 

It currently is designed to help elderly people who have large health care costs.  These would not be the prices going forward when you add in a larger pool of healthier people.  Medicare for all would look much different than the current plan.  My family health care costs are almost $1,000 per month due to the current price gouging that is going on with insulin.    My wife is a type 1 diabetic and even with insurance we pay more than $200 per month for her supplies.  Nowhere else in the world does it cost that much.   

 

From that last linked article:

 

WHAT WE KNOW: Medicare is one of the biggest U.S. buyers of medicine.

THE PROBLEM: U.S. law prohibits Medicare from negotiating prices directly with drug companies.

WHAT THE EXPERTS SAY: A new report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine says Congress should revise existing legislation to allow the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to directly negotiate prices with drug producers and suppliers. “Because prices tend to be lower when the purchaser has bargaining power that is at least comparable to that of the seller, the U.S. could achieve lower prices for prescription drugs by consolidating its bargaining power,” according to the report.

 

WHAT WE KNOW: In the U.S., drugmakers set their own prices and have the ability to increase prices as much and as often as they wish.

THE PROBLEM: Brand-name prescription drug prices in the U.S. have increased nearly 100 percent in the past six years. Although the FDA controls what drugs are available in the U.S., the federal agency has no legal authority to regulate drug prices.

WHAT THE EXPERTS SAY: In Europe, government often sets drug prices, and prices drop over time as countries demand more and more price reductions. Although, there is no federal regulation of drug prices in the U.S., some states are taking action to control costs. California, Maryland, Nevada and Vermont, for example, have enacted drug-pricing legislation to limit unjust price increases.

 

So medicare for all will not only be cheaper for most Americans but their prescription costs will be lowered.  Employers will have a huge financial burden lifted from them.  Further people won't have to decide between their health and their rent.  Their health or their job.  I have family that lives abroad and the system does work.  Health care should not be a for profit business.    

[Deranged Rhino]

4 hours ago, section122 said:

Just a thought here....

 

I'm a Bernie supporter so let me get that out of the way.  First because Medicare for all is the most important issue to me.  I didn't vote Hillary (or Trump either went 3rd party hoping to get another party permanently on the ballot) because I didn't like her but I really didn't like how the DNC rigged the election for her.  After the election Bernie supporters were blamed for not falling in line and voting blue no matter what.

 

So what happens if Bernie wins the nomination?  Does the DNC fall in line?  Do all the blue no matter what people do as they said we should have done?  Does the DNC work to remove the man they have trumpeted as the most evil president ever?  I think we all know the answer to that.  I really want Bernie to win because he is the candidate I like the best but I also get a bonus of either watching the DNC expose themselves as complete and total frauds or maybe (pie in the sky moment here) doing the right thing and supporting the candidate the people chose instead of the one they chose.

 

Here's your answer -- they're going to screw him, again. 

 

[Nanker]

I'm on Medicare right now and know full well what the costs are. I don't think you appreciate what they are for a FAMILY. 

I pay thousands ( several thousands less than when my wife was still working though) a year as does she.

Part B alone costs over $1,700 a year each for my wife and I, then we pay another $2,100+ for my Part B supplemental, and she pays $4,400+ for her Part B and D. I pay an additional $900+ for my Part D. 

$1,700

$2,100

$900  

$4,700 for me

 

$1,700

$4,400

$6,100 for her

 

Together we pay $10,800 for "Medicare" and that's after we had IRMAAs of over $8k a year dropped when she retired.

 

Tell me again about the $5,500 "per person" cost of medical insurance. I doubt it's a per person charge, but a mix of some single plans and family plans.

 

44 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

I wonder what type of insurance you have and how you pay for it.  Is it tied to your employment?  If you lose your job do you lose your health insurance?

 

I am very well versed in all of this.  Yes I am married and yes I have kids.  Both my wife and I have worked long enough that part A doesn't apply to us.  Yes this system will be paid for by everyone in the form of taxes.  I appreciate your concern over the costs but currently many people pay much more for this for insurance.  The average person pays $5000 for health care each year.  From the article:

 

Yet it’s difficult to predict exactly how much Americans would pay with a Medicare for All plan. On the surface, the average person currently spends less on out-of-pocket costs when using a private, employer-based insurance than Medicare. But Medicare currently serves a predominantly elderly population who typically require more health care and therefore spend more.

 

It currently is designed to help elderly people who have large health care costs.  These would not be the prices going forward when you add in a larger pool of healthier people.  Medicare for all would look much different than the current plan.  My family health care costs are almost $1,000 per month due to the current price gouging that is going on with insulin.    My wife is a type 1 diabetic and even with insurance we pay more than $200 per month for her supplies.  Nowhere else in the world does it cost that much.   

 

From that last linked article:

 

WHAT WE KNOW: Medicare is one of the biggest U.S. buyers of medicine.

THE PROBLEM: U.S. law prohibits Medicare from negotiating prices directly with drug companies.

WHAT THE EXPERTS SAY: A new report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine says Congress should revise existing legislation to allow the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to directly negotiate prices with drug producers and suppliers. “Because prices tend to be lower when the purchaser has bargaining power that is at least comparable to that of the seller, the U.S. could achieve lower prices for prescription drugs by consolidating its bargaining power,” according to the report.

 

WHAT WE KNOW: In the U.S., drugmakers set their own prices and have the ability to increase prices as much and as often as they wish.

THE PROBLEM: Brand-name prescription drug prices in the U.S. have increased nearly 100 percent in the past six years. Although the FDA controls what drugs are available in the U.S., the federal agency has no legal authority to regulate drug prices.

WHAT THE EXPERTS SAY: In Europe, government often sets drug prices, and prices drop over time as countries demand more and more price reductions. Although, there is no federal regulation of drug prices in the U.S., some states are taking action to control costs. California, Maryland, Nevada and Vermont, for example, have enacted drug-pricing legislation to limit unjust price increases.

 

So medicare for all will not only be cheaper for most Americans but their prescription costs will be lowered.  Employers will have a huge financial burden lifted from them.  Further people won't have to decide between their health and their rent.  Their health or their job.  I have family that lives abroad and the system does work.  Health care should not be a for profit business.    

 

[SoCal Deek]

You can debate Medicare for All until the cows come home...but why would any sane person turn over healthcare to the same federal government that screws up everything it touches?  I'm not a health care voter. I really don't care.  However, I do know that in this country, the federal government is nothing short of train wreck.  Why would anyone think healthcare would be the ONE program that would be any different?