B-Man Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 I paid for my education with the GIBill/ACF and student loans. I paid all my loans off. ***** Elizabeth Warren. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 You're on in 3, Mr. President !! . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted January 25, 2020 Author Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Chef Jim said: She is right. You have to start somewhere. My issue is with why start at all? Why is no one asking why is it so important to forgive student debt? So people will have more disposable income to bolster the economy? If so fair enough. But I’d rather they go after the “university industrial complex”. Oh wait. That would hurt her liberal brethren. Never mind. She’s a campaign-trail, pandering liar. This episode with the guy who did the right thing is meaningless. She is never, ever going to pass this proposal. It is a fiction. The only real issue here is that people believe that this is a serious proposal. And you’re right. She’d win a ton of credibility with me if she called for investigations into exactly where the tuition money goes (public schools and private schools). It’s like Obama’s ACA going after health insurance and completely ignoring the reasons why health care costs so much in the first place. Why not do both? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, B-Man said: You're on in 3, Mr. President !! . ...Mr, President my effin' arse......an unqualified Jr Senator cardboard cutout propped up by the Clinton Dynasty (check out the ex-Clintonites in HIS circle) only because of race and oratorical skills......and the fickle electorate took the carp bait hook, line and sinker...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Chef Jim said: She is right. You have to start somewhere. My issue is with why start at all? Why is no one asking why is it so important to forgive student debt? So people will have more disposable income to bolster the economy? If so fair enough. But I’d rather they go after the “university industrial complex”. Oh wait. That would hurt her liberal brethren. Never mind. We had a pretty thorough discussion about this in another thread where the root of the student debt crisis that accelerated after the '08 crash was a racket scheme created by the federal government and the banks that give low interest rate student loans to those who don't deserve them. Yes, one of the arguments of forgiving student debt is for disposable income to bolster the economy. My proposed solution was to loosen the bankruptcy rules so you should be able to declare bankruptcy from student debt in the same way you can for credit cards. It didn't gain much traction in this mostly conservative forum but it's better than just pure forgiveness of loans. We talked about more transitional resources into high school that gives kids a more realistic aspect of the best career options moving forward instead of going into a liberal arts program in college that you'll never use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: We had a pretty thorough discussion about this in another thread where the root of the student debt crisis that accelerated after the '08 crash was a racket scheme created by the federal government and the banks that give low interest rate student loans to those who don't deserve them. Yes, one of the arguments of forgiving student debt is for disposable income to bolster the economy. My proposed solution was to loosen the bankruptcy rules so you should be able to declare bankruptcy from student debt in the same way you can for credit cards. It didn't gain much traction in this mostly conservative forum but it's better than just pure forgiveness of loans. We talked about more transitional resources into high school that gives kids a more realistic aspect of the best career options moving forward instead of going into a liberal arts program in college that you'll never use. It's a shock that lending 10's of thousands of dollars to 18 year olds with little or no income or collateral would result in a high default rate. In any other circle than government, this would be called predatory lending. It's a program that needs to be ended. The old way where parents co-signed loans and loans were limited in value was more responsible. Since states run many of the colleges and universities, let them figure out how to make it more affordable for their residents. College expenses should be 100% tax deductible regardless of income (with some limits) and at the very most, the Fed gov IMO should block grant states and let them allocate the funds for grants, etc... and encourage private scholarship programs. It is still possible for people (who are determined) to work their way through college if living at home, using some online courses and taking modest loans in many states. It's tough but it can be done. As for the loans on the books, much of that was foolish lending with little or no chance it gets repaid. As much as I hate the idea, something will have to be done to clean it up or partially clean it up, but the debtors need to have some skin in the game. Edited January 25, 2020 by keepthefaith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Why stop with college loans? Lets hear it for wiping out ALL debt. We all deserve a loan-free car, houses, healthcare insurance, phones, vacations, credit card balances, boat loans, etc. The only reason I pay any attention to the Dem debates is to learn what the new “free stuff” of the day that they’re offering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) ...Lizzie's on a role........Lurch 'n Lizzie...two of Massachusetts finest............"paging Mike Dukakis"............. Trent England: Elizabeth Warren wants to nullify the Electoral College -- and silence Middle America By Trent England | Fox News Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., talks about her Oklahoma roots but rejected them long ago. She settled in Massachusetts, the state that made her its junior senator in 2012. Now Warren wants to be president and, along with many of her fellow Democrats, she’s calling for an end the Electoral College. This makes sense. The Electoral College sets a high bar that irks politicians whose base is in the big cities. But this is by design. Right from the beginning, one reason for the Electoral College was to check the power of big cities and to require some geographic balance in our politics. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/elizabeth-warren-electoral-college-trent-england Edited January 26, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 They REALLY want Bernie to go away. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, B-Man said: Maybe she needs to make another absurd video to show us that she's just a normal person who awkwardly sips a beer. Perhaps while walking the dog they got to make her more relatable. Edited January 26, 2020 by Koko78 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 17 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Boy the Dems really trot out some winners to help with the narrative, don't they? Next up, Senator Mazie Hirono! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Four new polls of Iowa and New Hampshire: Bernie, Bernie, Bernie, Bernie by Allahpundit Original Article Democrats are really gonna do this, huh? I’m imagining Barack Obama looking at these new polling numbers and contemplating his legacy: A wipeout of Democrats in federal and state races by 2016, the election of a Republican president whom O himself allegedly describes as a “fascist,” and the increasing likelihood that his own party will choose an out-and-out socialist as its next nominee. In time, the Obama/Romney contest of 2012 may come to be seen as the last non-“European” election America had for many years. The well-respected NYT/Siena poll finds that everything’s coming up Bernie in Iowa . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 37 minutes ago, B-Man said: Four new polls of Iowa and New Hampshire: Bernie, Bernie, Bernie, Bernie by Allahpundit Original Article Democrats are really gonna do this, huh? I’m imagining Barack Obama looking at these new polling numbers and contemplating his legacy: A wipeout of Democrats in federal and state races by 2016, the election of a Republican president whom O himself allegedly describes as a “fascist,” and the increasing likelihood that his own party will choose an out-and-out socialist as its next nominee. In time, the Obama/Romney contest of 2012 may come to be seen as the last non-“European” election America had for many years. The well-respected NYT/Siena poll finds that everything’s coming up Bernie in Iowa . I had a dream, a dream about you baby It's gonna come true baby They think that he's through, but baby You'll be swell, you'll be great Gonna have the everything free on a plate Starting here, starting now Honey everything's coming up Bernie Shoot your decks, show you tracks You've got nothing to do but be taxed Blow a Cis, take a bone Honey everything's coming up Bernie Now's your inning, it's time to drink a beer MSM gets it spinning, that's just the beginning Curtain up, start the fights You got nothing to get but the blights He'll be swell, you'll be great I can tell, just you wait That lucky star he talks about is due Honey everything's coming up Bernie for commies and for you He can do it, all he needs is a hand We can do it, mama is gonna see to it Curtain up, light the lights We got nothing to get but the blights He can tell, wait for the scam There's the bell, follow him And nothing's gonna stop you 'til he's through Honey everything's coming up Bernie and daffodils Everything's coming up Unicorns and Santa Claus Everything's gonna be bright lights and lollipops Everything's coming up Bernie for commies and for you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 "For some Democrats, it’s a scenario they say they’ve dreaded and feared: waking up to the reality that the 78-year-old Vermont senator, an independent who has reshaped party policy and promised to bring a revolution to Washington, has a real shot..." "... at capturing the nomination. For the Sanders campaign, it’s been part rallying cry, part admonition: At events across Iowa this weekend, the candidate and his top surrogates repeatedly warned of a coming fight with forces that would try to stop them, at points celebrating the clash, at points cautioning supporters to stay positive.... 'In these last eight days, things are gonna get crazy,' Ocasio-Cortez said on Sunday. 'I don't even know what's gonna happen. And that's why we've gotta stay focused and committed as possible. And let's make it joyous, y'all... Let's make it joyous.'... Michael Moore... told supporters, 'The knives are out. The rich woke up this morning, and they read these articles and they're like, "Oh no, oh no, what are we going to do?" So we'll see what they're going to do.'... The 11 candidates in the race have largely declined to attack Sanders directly...." From BuzzFeedNews. 2020 Democrat (Yang) Slams DNC for Not Hosting Debates On Fox News: ‘You Have To Start By Talking To Americans’ . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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