DC Tom Posted January 12, 2019 Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: Bernie very well could have beat Trump IMHO. Had he run 3rd party after getting screwed by the Ds, he very well could have beat both Hillary AND Donald. I hate Bernie's policies...but I probably would have voted for him over Trump or Hillary, just because he's not a complete piece of ***** like they are. 1
Doc Brown Posted January 12, 2019 Posted January 12, 2019 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Bernie very well could have beat Trump IMHO. Had he run 3rd party after getting screwed by the Ds, he very well could have beat both Hillary AND Donald. If Teddy Rossevelt couldn't do it, nobody can. I would've voted for him over Trump (because he's a much better person) knowing full well most of his policies wouldn't have made it through Congress. His presidency would've mirrored Trump's in many ways as far as fighting the Washington establishment, imposing tariffs on China with a lot of resistance from both sides, and facing hell on earth from the right for even suggesting we withdrawal troops from Syria. We just wouldn't have the drama and the comedy that comes with the Trump administration. It would've mirroed Obama's in getting no support on anything from the Republicans in Congress. We'd pry have slightly less debt as tax reform wouldn't be passed and we wouldn't have increased military spending. Although, more domestic spending would be likely. The FBI investigating his wife would've been a scandal to keep Gowdy and company in the House busy. Since Democrats fall asleep once they get their guy into the oval office, the Republicans would've shalacked the Democrats in the midterms instead of the other way around. Here's what Republicans would've hated and why they're glad Trump won. Kennedy would still be on the Supreme Court and most likely Garland. Although, it may have been somebody to the left of Garland if Sanders really pushed for it. RGB would've retired and been replaced by somebody similar. We'd still be in the Parris Accord and the Iran Deal. No tax reform legislation. We'd have more enviromental and financial regulations.
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2019 Posted January 12, 2019 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: If Teddy Rossevelt couldn't do it, nobody can. I would've voted for him over Trump (because he's a much better person) knowing full well most of his policies wouldn't have made it through Congress. His presidency would've mirrored Trump's in many ways as far as fighting the Washington establishment, imposing tariffs on China with a lot of resistance from both sides, and facing hell on earth from the right for even suggesting we withdrawal troops from Syria. We just wouldn't have the drama and the comedy that comes with the Trump administration. It would've mirroed Obama's in getting no support on anything from the Republicans in Congress. We'd pry have slightly less debt as tax reform wouldn't be passed and we wouldn't have increased military spending. Although, more domestic spending would be likely. The FBI investigating his wife would've been a scandal to keep Gowdy and company in the House busy. Since Democrats fall asleep once they get their guy into the oval office, the Republicans would've shalacked the Democrats in the midterms instead of the other way around. Here's what Republicans would've hated and why they're glad Trump won. Kennedy would still be on the Supreme Court and most likely Garland. Although, it may have been somebody to the left of Garland if Sanders really pushed for it. RGB would've retired and been replaced by somebody similar. We'd still be in the Parris Accord and the Iran Deal. No tax reform legislation. We'd have more enviromental and financial regulations. North Korea would be launching IBM's, the economy would still be mired down, ISIS would have gained in strength and the military would still be scrounging for spare parts. Oh, illegal alien children would be getting separated from their alien parents but the MSM would ignore it. Bernie's world.
snafu Posted January 12, 2019 Author Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, DC Tom said: I hate Bernie's policies...but I probably would have voted for him over Trump or Hillary, just because he's not a complete piece of ***** like they are. I think he's always been as complete a piece of ***** as both of them. Then (after getting hosed by the party that he insulated himself from for years by claiming to be "independent") he goes and joins the Democratic Party leadership to make sure what happened to him doesn't happen again. What he really accomplished is the Party institutionalization of his Socialist agenda. The fact that it now appears that the Democratic Party is trying again to shut him out of the 2020 race is actually very funny to me. I hope he never gets to the podium in a primary debate. ***** him. Edited January 12, 2019 by snafu 1
DC Tom Posted January 12, 2019 Posted January 12, 2019 12 hours ago, Doc Brown said: If Teddy Rossevelt couldn't do it, nobody can. I would've voted for him over Trump (because he's a much better person) knowing full well most of his policies wouldn't have made it through Congress. That's the key, that everyone STILL forgets: the President isn't emperor. He can't just do whatever he wants. There's still pretty significant checks on policy implementation, even after all the checks Obama basically nuked. Even "National Emergencies." I actually credit Trump with acting with some restraint regarding his threats to declare one. His predecessor already set ample precedent for declaring them on the stupidest of pretenses.
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2019 Posted January 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, DC Tom said: That's the key, that everyone STILL forgets: the President isn't emperor. He can't just do whatever he wants. There's still pretty significant checks on policy implementation, even after all the checks Obama basically nuked. Even "National Emergencies." I actually credit Trump with acting with some restraint regarding his threats to declare one. His predecessor already set ample precedent for declaring them on the stupidest of pretenses. I posted this in the Shutdown thread but it's pertinent here too: The Left has had many stances over the years regarding a wall on the border. Hard to believe them on anything. Trump is playing this smart. If he can't get a deal with the libs he'll simply declare an emergency and the 9th Circuit will shut him down. Not getting a wall will then be the fault of the courts and one of his biggest campaign issues will be revived for the 2020 election. Pelosi's obstinacy will be an issue and will certainly hurt her chances of staying in the majority. The dems always overplay their hand. Always.
/dev/null Posted January 12, 2019 Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, B-Man said: https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/11/politics/tulsi-gabbard-van-jones/index.html PCILF Edited January 12, 2019 by /dev/null 1
Foxx Posted January 12, 2019 Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, /dev/null said: PCILF EDIT: maybe a lil too crass. my bad. Edited January 12, 2019 by Foxx
DC Tom Posted January 12, 2019 Posted January 12, 2019 22 hours ago, B-Man said: https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/11/politics/tulsi-gabbard-van-jones/index.html There are far worse candidates. Too bad I've sworn to never, ever, ever vote for a Democrat again after the ***** they pulled with Kavanaugh. 2
B-Man Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 Line em up............. RUN ALL THE CANDIDATES! Julian Castro, Obama’s ex-HUD secretary, announces 2020 presidential bid. Jim Geraghty dubs Castro “Mr. 2012,” noting that “the 2020 cycle begins with Castro in a much worse position than seemed imaginable then, as the candidate of tomorrow suddenly finds himself the candidate of yesterday without ever having been the candidate of today.”
DC Tom Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, B-Man said: Line em up............. RUN ALL THE CANDIDATES! Julian Castro, Obama’s ex-HUD secretary, announces 2020 presidential bid. Jim Geraghty dubs Castro “Mr. 2012,” noting that “the 2020 cycle begins with Castro in a much worse position than seemed imaginable then, as the candidate of tomorrow suddenly finds himself the candidate of yesterday without ever having been the candidate of today.” The 2020 Democratic primaries are going to be ultimate expression of identity politics. Every demographic is going to be represented except "white male."
Kevbeau Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, B-Man said: Line em up............. RUN ALL THE CANDIDATES! Julian Castro, Obama’s ex-HUD secretary, announces 2020 presidential bid. Jim Geraghty dubs Castro “Mr. 2012,” noting that “the 2020 cycle begins with Castro in a much worse position than seemed imaginable then, as the candidate of tomorrow suddenly finds himself the candidate of yesterday without ever having been the candidate of today.” Who? Anyone check to see what Carrot Top is up to these days? Edited January 13, 2019 by Kevbeau
BeginnersMind Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 4 hours ago, DC Tom said: Every demographic is going to be represented except "white male." Not true. But it will look more like America race and sex wise than the usual R white guys. 1
KRC Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 3 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: Not true. But it will look more like America race and sex wise than the usual R white guys. Are they all going to be called racists/misogynists/Nazis/etc. if they criticized each other's policies, just like R's? You are not allowed to disagree with policies without being a racist/misogynist/Nazi/etc.
/dev/null Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, KRC said: Are they all going to be called racists/misogynists/Nazis/etc. if they criticized each other's policies, just like R's? You are not allowed to disagree with policies without being a racist/misogynist/Nazi/etc. that's based on the assumption that they have differing policies other how much Free Stuff they'll give away and whether Trump is literally Hitler or worse than Hitler
KRC Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, /dev/null said: that's based on the assumption that they have differing policies other how much Free Stuff they'll give away and whether Trump is literally Hitler or worse than Hitler Remember, if you do not vote for someone, it is because you are racist/misogynist/Nazi/etc. It is not because you disagree with them, it is because you are racist/misogynist/Nazi/etc. I am guessing the Dems will want to change the rules in the primary to make sure that you can cast a vote for every candidate, so that you cannot be criticized for anything. If you vote for Booker over Harris, it is because you hate women. If you vote for Warren, it is because you are racist.
snafu Posted January 13, 2019 Author Posted January 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Kevbeau said: Who? Anyone check to see what Carrot Top is up to these days? Haha, they can make the primaries like Celebrity Aprentice!
Chandemonium Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, KRC said: Remember, if you do not vote for someone, it is because you are racist/misogynist/Nazi/etc. It is not because you disagree with them, it is because you are racist/misogynist/Nazi/etc. I am guessing the Dems will want to change the rules in the primary to make sure that you can cast a vote for every candidate, so that you cannot be criticized for anything. If you vote for Booker over Harris, it is because you hate women. If you vote for Warren, it is because you are racist. If you vote for Warren, you can only be 1023/1024ths racist.
KRC Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, Chandemonium said: If you vote for Warren, you can only be 1023/1024ths racist. That's still pretty racist. ?
/dev/null Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Chandemonium said: If you vote for Warren, you can only be 1023/1024ths racist. 1 hour ago, KRC said: That's still pretty racist. ? But it's not a total racist
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