/dev/null Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 3:35 PM, DC Tom said: Offs himself? Or "offs" himself? Expand Arkancide
Deranged Rhino Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 Why be a senator when you can be VP? One position has real power and influence, the other is the least powerful position in the political system... Why does she chose the one with less power? Because she knows she can't win on her own.
Deranged Rhino Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) (No shot to win... people are kidding themselves thinking otherwise) Edited August 28, 2019 by Deranged Rhino 1 1
Doc Brown Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 6:08 PM, Deranged Rhino said: (No shot to win... people are kidding themselves thinking otherwise) Expand Could he put Obama on the VP ticket? Just out of curiosity?
Hedge Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 I would love to see the Trump campaign hold a contest like this. The loser would get the same thing that Warren’s winner gets. 1
Koko78 Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 6:56 PM, Doc Brown said: Could he put Obama on the VP ticket? Just out of curiosity? Expand That's an interesting Constitutional question. 2
Deranged Rhino Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 6:56 PM, Doc Brown said: Could he put Obama on the VP ticket? Just out of curiosity? Expand I don't know to be honest. 1
Doc Brown Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 7:23 PM, Deranged Rhino said: I don't know to be honest. Expand I could see that as a desperation move to increase turnout. Hey, if something happens to me this insanely popular previous president (to mostly anybody that leans left) who's 18 years younger than me will take over. 1
row_33 Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) Constitution says you cannot be elected again if you have served two terms. A too literal reading "of elected" is considered outside the intent of the Law. it's been suggested a few times through the years to put an elected POTUS on the ticket but felt the Law will not be read to allow it. How could someone want that job after 8 years as President? Edited August 28, 2019 by row_33 1
3rdnlng Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 7:41 PM, row_33 said: Constitution says you cannot be elected again if you have served two terms. A too literal reading "of elected" is considered outside the intent of the Law. it's been suggested a few times through the years to put an elected POTUS on the ticket but felt the Law will not be read to allow it. How could someone want that job after 8 years as President? Expand Because they could be the de facto president. Sorta like all the Leftists claimed Dick Cheney was.
row_33 Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) On 8/28/2019 at 8:51 PM, 3rdnlng said: Because they could be the de facto president. Sorta like all the Leftists claimed Dick Cheney was. Expand Woodrow Wilson's wife ran the White House his last few years in total incapacity Not sure about Reagan's last year..... NOBODY with the ego and support to win the Presidency would take a secondary position after killing themselves to get it. Edited August 28, 2019 by row_33
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 7:13 PM, Koko78 said: That's an interesting Constitutional question. Expand By Philip Bump-Washington Post August 6, 2015 The 12th Amendment to the Constitution states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." And the 22nd Amendment, the political response to Franklin Roosevelt's impressive run of presidential victories, capped presidents to two terms. Ergo: No Clinton-Clinton or Bush-Bush. Or Biden-Obama, for that matter. Done and done, right? The answer seems straightforward. But it is less straightforward than it appears. Michael Dorf is a professor of constitutional law at Cornell University. In 2000, he argued that an Al Gore-Bill Clinton ticket could withstand legal scrutiny. And when we spoke by phone on Thursday, he said that he stood by that argument. The rough outline of his argument is this: The 22nd Amendment doesn't say you can't be president for more than two terms. It says you can't be elected president twice. If a Biden-Obama ticket won (which we'll get to), and tragedy were to befall Joe Biden, Barack Obama could become president, according to the letter of the law (which we'll also get to), since he wasn't elected to the position. As such, Obama is not constitutionally ineligible to serve as president. What's more, Dorf said, the case of Powell v. McCormack in 1968 established precedent for a narrow reading of what constitutes "eligibility." In that case, the House sought to prevent Adam Clayton Powell from being sworn in as a representative, arguing that the Constitution gave them the ability to "be the judge of ... qualifications" to sit in the House. The Supreme Court disagreed, deciding that the House couldn't add new qualifications (in Powell's case, that he faced legal problems) by which to deem someone eligible. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/06/could-joe-biden-pick-barack-obama-as-his-running-mate-yes-but/
row_33 Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 9:01 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: By Philip Bump-Washington Post August 6, 2015 The 12th Amendment to the Constitution states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." And the 22nd Amendment, the political response to Franklin Roosevelt's impressive run of presidential victories, capped presidents to two terms. Ergo: No Clinton-Clinton or Bush-Bush. Or Biden-Obama, for that matter. Done and done, right? The answer seems straightforward. But it is less straightforward than it appears. Michael Dorf is a professor of constitutional law at Cornell University. In 2000, he argued that an Al Gore-Bill Clinton ticket could withstand legal scrutiny. And when we spoke by phone on Thursday, he said that he stood by that argument. The rough outline of his argument is this: The 22nd Amendment doesn't say you can't be president for more than two terms. It says you can't be elected president twice. If a Biden-Obama ticket won (which we'll get to), and tragedy were to befall Joe Biden, Barack Obama could become president, according to the letter of the law (which we'll also get to), since he wasn't elected to the position. As such, Obama is not constitutionally ineligible to serve as president. What's more, Dorf said, the case of Powell v. McCormack in 1968 established precedent for a narrow reading of what constitutes "eligibility." In that case, the House sought to prevent Adam Clayton Powell from being sworn in as a representative, arguing that the Constitution gave them the ability to "be the judge of ... qualifications" to sit in the House. The Supreme Court disagreed, deciding that the House couldn't add new qualifications (in Powell's case, that he faced legal problems) by which to deem someone eligible. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/06/could-joe-biden-pick-barack-obama-as-his-running-mate-yes-but/ Expand there's a million of these, i summed it up kind of tidily
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 9:01 PM, row_33 said: there's a million of these, i summed it up kind of tidily Expand ....,Stumblin', mumblin' Joe picks Hillary as VP......."Bugsy Bill" has the syndicate "take care of business" and she slides into the "Big Dawg" chair....stay tuned.....
row_33 Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 9:06 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....,Stumblin', mumblin' Joe picks Hillary as VP......."Bugsy Bill" has the syndicate "take care of business" and she slides into the "Big Dawg" chair....stay tuned..... Expand no argument against Hillary being eligible to run as VP i can shudder but that won't stop it LBJ was the only politician on record that talked a lot about his best chance at being POTUS was going in as Veep and an assassination puts him in charge
3rdnlng Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 9:06 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....,Stumblin', mumblin' Joe picks Hillary as VP......."Bugsy Bill" has the syndicate "take care of business" and she slides falls into the "Big Dawg" chair....stay tuned..... Expand FIFY 2
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 9:10 PM, row_33 said: no argument against Hillary being eligible to run as VP i can shudder but that won't stop it LBJ was the only politician on record that talked a lot about his best chance at being POTUS was going in as Veep and an assassination puts him in charge Expand HINT; major, MAJOR sarcasm.......it is woefully inept, unqualified, vile, egotistical and financially driven scourge just like her husband and their "syndicate"....Clinton served two terms...then they prop up the cardboard Chicago cutout, a junior state senator at that with no experience, running solely on his race and propped up with the most scurrilous ex-Clintonites on earth for two MORE terms......so the "syndicate" had a 16 year stranglehold on US politics..imagine if the pant suit won and was re-elected?.....24 years of the syndicate?....ain't enough chlorine on the planet to clean up "that swamp".....sure as hell hope AG Barr has the gonads to do his "cleanup"........
DC Tom Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 9:06 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....,Stumblin', mumblin' Joe picks Hillary as VP......."Bugsy Bill" has the syndicate "take care of business" and she slides into the "Big Dawg" chair....stay tuned..... Expand Dan Quayle and Joe Biden were "assassination insurance" - nobody in their right mind was going to shoot Bush or Obama knowing that either of those two Howdy-Doody-brained ***** were next in line. Hillary...more like "assassination assurance." 3
Hedge Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) Well, she still has her brand. Edited August 28, 2019 by Hedge 2
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