Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread

[B-Man]

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Seriously, the Democrat party is now run by a woke elite that makes people heretics for positions that were just fine a few years / months / days ago -- which makes everyone a Bad Person. That's how you got this debate.

 

 

 

[4merper4mer]

38 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Then why do other countries whose governments negotiate drug prices (leveraging the buying power of the entire market) get the same exact drugs for cheaper?

 

Big Pharma still reports profits from these markets so clearly the free market financing of healthcare isn't working well in regards to drug prices

 

It's a combination of:

Fixed costs

Variable Costs

Extortion by the other countries

 

These are all very simple things to understand but most prefer outrage.

 

[Ralonzo]

And for our closing statement, we offer you... FEAR!

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7 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

And for our closing statement, we offer you... FEAR!

 

The Democrats closing statement

 

 

Edited August 1, 2019 by /dev/null

[SoCal Deek]

One thing is clear: these folks have ZERO idea how to improve the cost of healthcare in this country. Obamacare isn’t even ten years old and it’s already being tossed out into the trash. So now they’re left with ‘let’s let the government run it...if it loses money we’ll just pile more debt on the taxpayers” ...brilliant!

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

One thing is clear: these folks have ZERO idea how to improve the cost of healthcare in this country. Obamacare isn’t even ten years old and it’s already being tossed out into the trash. So now they’re left with ‘let’s let the government run it...if it loses money we’ll just pile more debt on the taxpayers” ...brilliant!

 

...just look at the numerous unfunded promises these clowns are promising...you really think debt matters to them....simply pandering to the "freebee gang" to buy their votes...SMH...

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...just look at the numerous unfunded promises these clowns are promising...you really think debt matters to them....simply pandering to the "freebee gang" to buy their votes...SMH...

The question is whether debt matters to the voters. I’m not sure millennials care anymore. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The question is whether debt matters to the voters. I’m not sure millennials care anymore. 

 

.....therein lies the problem.....shocking to find out the fickle nature of the general electorate and how easily swayed they are......the country's debt is not THEIR problem or worry.....it's Washington's problem....how many of them do not pay taxes now?....

[BeginnersMind]

19 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

One thing is clear: these folks have ZERO idea how to improve the cost of healthcare in this country. Obamacare isn’t even ten years old and it’s already being tossed out into the trash. So now they’re left with ‘let’s let the government run it...if it loses money we’ll just pile more debt on the taxpayers” ...brilliant!

 

No one has offered a palatable solution. I thought the marketplace purchasing would work better and it did at first, but it fixed nothing long term as prices just converged. Trump I did some refs but that hasn’t done dick. I don’t believe in Medicare for all particularly. At this point the left and the right is in a battle of words to point out how wrong the other side is, but neither side can do more than make small tinkering moves for fear of making a runaway train accelerate. 

 

I don't have the answer either. I’m skeptical of anyone who thinks there’s an easy fix (buy drugs from Canada and stop high malpractice awards are not going to solve things). I would think that, like the debt and social security, fixing this will take 20 committed years. It will be a gift to the future if we take it on, but one election cycle won’t fix it. And some of the things we try may need serious adjustment if they don’t work. I just wish we had some bipartisan thinking happening to take some first steps at a long term plan. 

9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The question is whether debt matters to the voters. I’m not sure millennials care anymore. 

 

Generalizing a lot here but I think millennials care more than the boomers. The boomers were largely selfish. The millennials care about long term problems because they will live them. 

 

But it in general you’re right. No one gives a crap about the debt. Except Rand Paul. 

Edited August 1, 2019 by BeginnersMind

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

No one has offered a palatable solution. I thought the marketplace purchasing would work better and it did, but it fixed nothing. Trump I did some refs but that hasn’t done dick. I don’t believe in Medicare for all particularly. At this point the left and the right is in a battle of words to point out how wrong the other side is, but neither side can do more than make small tinkering moves for fear of making a runaway train accelerate. 

 

I don't have the answer either. I’m skeptical of anyone who thinks there’s an easy fix (buy drugs from Canada and stop high malpractice awards are not going to solve things). I would think that, like the debt and social security, fixing this will take 20 committed years. It will be a gift to the future if we take it on, but one election cycle won’t fix it. And some of the things we try may need serious adjustment if they don’t work. I just wish we had some bipartisan thinking happening to take some first steps at a long term plan. 

 

Generalizing a lot here but I think millennials care more than the boomers. The boomers were largely selfish. The millennials care about long term problems because they will live them. 

 

But it in general you’re right. No one gives a crap about the debt. Except Rand Paul. 

 

...seriously?.....no, seriously?.....millennials have been cultivated due to the UNSELFISH handouts of boomers.....

[BeginnersMind]

7 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...seriously?.....no, seriously?.....millennials have been cultivated due to the UNSELFISH handouts of boomers.....

 

Drugs. Government bloat. Divorce. Lack of moral values passed on.  The boomer generation was more entitled than any before it since. America will pay for their sins for generations. 

 

But they are are the loudest generation to take credit for everything. That they are good at. 

 

Tip of the hat to good music. 

Edited August 1, 2019 by BeginnersMind

[B-Man]

 

 

WELL, TO BE FAIR, LEFTISTS HAVE TO LIE ABOUT THEIR POLICIES OR NOBODY WOULD SUPPORT THEM: 

 

Taking a cue from Obama, Elizabeth Warren’s single-payer strategy involves not telling voters the truth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

JAMES FREEMAN: Do Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders Like You? Beyond the radical agenda, they also share a contempt for many of their fellow citizens.

 

The sight of Sen. Warren happily rubbing her hands together at the prospect of illegally seizing wealth from rival John Delaney was worth more than a thousand words about her unconstitutional tax scheme. But Sen. Warren and the author of her health care plan, Sen. Sanders, made it clear that highly successful entrepreneurs aren’t the only targets of their ire. . . .

Yes, the white lawyer who claimed to be “American Indian” and then snagged an Ivy League professorship is now complaining about the impact of a “corrupt, rigged system” on Native Americans.

 

 

Hypocrisy and hate: What powers the left.

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited August 1, 2019 by B-Man

[B-Man]

 

Good God................

 

 

 

That's the point of a debate...............'SENATOR"

 

 

 

Everyone didn’t get a trophy and ice cream and now Cory is sad.

 

Although, I get Cory's confusion, CNN is usually busy pitting Americans against each other.

 

 

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[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...seriously?.....no, seriously?.....millennials have been cultivated due to the UNSELFISH handouts of boomers.....

I wasn’t trying to demonize millennials. I believe they’ve just given up. If you’ve been taught that the planet is going to end before you turn 40 then long term debt means nothing. You can blame the public education system for preaching this nonsense. 

[B-Man]

 

 

Goodbye 2020 nomination...................................

 

 

[reddogblitz]

6 hours ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

I don’t believe in Medicare for all particularly.

 

I think the Ds have done a horrible job on defining what Medicare for All is.  Bernie says it's comprehensive health care, all free.  Others say it is pretty much anyone can buy into Medicare at a younger age. 

 

Most people under 55 have no idea how Medicare even works or really what it is.  For example, like Medicare Advantage which is private insurance with deductibles and co pays.  Or a Medicare supplement which is private insurance.  It doesn't cover everything.  Maybe that's what they want.  Confuse the electorate.  Wouldn't be the first time.

 

Roll your own Medicare for All.

 

6 hours ago, BeginnersMind said:

The millennials care about long term problems because they will live them. 

 

Millennials are like young Baby Boomers.  Idealistic.  Once they get a little older and have kids and mortgages and stuff, it'll change.

 

And no, I don't feel sorry for the ones with large student loan debt.  I know Baby Boomers with student loan debt.  Mayor Pete has a big student loan.  He's not a millennial either.

 

And lets not forget Baby Boomers were raised by "The Greatest Generation" and Millennials were raised by Baby Boomers.  So maybe it's the Greatest Generation's fault ultimately?

 

Every generation thinks the generation before royally screwed up and they are going to fix it.  Good luck.

 

"Don't Trust Anyone over 25." -- Baby Boomers.  Sound familiar?

Edited August 1, 2019 by reddogblitz

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[OldTimeAFLGuy]

8 hours ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Drugs. Government bloat. Divorce. Lack of moral values passed on.  The boomer generation was more entitled than any before it since. America will pay for their sins for generations. 

 

But they are are the loudest generation to take credit for everything. That they are good at. 

 

Tip of the hat to good music. 

 

...and this would be the typical "truth twist"........now they are the VICTIMS?.......it is society's fault?......BEGINNERS MIND so noted....go figure.......

[BeginnersMind]

33 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...and this would be the typical "truth twist"........now they are the VICTIMS?.......it is society's fault?......BEGINNERS MIND so noted....go figure.......

 

Baby boomers should be called the ME generation. Even still to this day. The “greatest generation” didn’t seek an identity. They just did it. Same as generations after the boomers. But the boomers are all about praising themselves. The “narcissistic generation” would be a less catchy but more accurate moniker. No boomers can get together and not blow each other about how great their generation is. 

 

Those of of us that follow your mess disagree. Except psychotherapists. You all made them rich. More time to talk about yourself. 

 

3 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

 

Millennials are like young Baby Boomers.  Idealistic.  Once they get a little older and have kids and mortgages and stuff, it'll change.

 

And no, I don't feel sorry for the ones with large student loan debt.  I know Baby Boomers with student loan debt.  Mayor Pete has a big student loan.  He's not a millennial either.

 

And lets not forget Baby Boomers were raised by "The Greatest Generation" and Millennials were raised by Baby Boomers.  So maybe it's the Greatest Generation's fault ultimately?

 

The boomers were a generation that said happily “f—- our parents we can do this on our own.” And proceeded to enter adulthood without a family tether. 

 

The millenials get a lot of crap for staying home longer but that is actually how most humans have lived forever. 

 

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Every generation thinks the generation before royally screwed up and they are going to fix it.  Good luck.

 

I don’t know who can fix what. But right now the boomers are still massively screwing things up. Pelosi, Trump, and Mitch are eagerly unable to get anything done except pass on more debt to those of us unlucky enough to be in the wake of the boomers. 

 

The only people who think the boomers are a great generation are...wait for it...the boomers. They should do another special about themselves. 

 

Edited August 1, 2019 by BeginnersMind

[reddogblitz]

23 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

I don’t know who can fix what. But right now the boomers are still massively screwing things up. Pelosi, Trump, and Mitch are eagerly unable to get anything done except pass on more debt to those of us unlucky enough to be in the wake of the boomers

 

Each generation is handed problems from the generation before.  Greatest Generation handed redlining, Jim Crowe, and Separate but Equal to the Baby Boomers.  The Greatest Generation was handed Prohibition and woman couldn't vote by their parents' generation. 

 

And I take it you're not old enough to remember when Baby Boomers were younger.  A lot of them were idealistic and socialistic too. Remember communes?   And while a lot of them did idealistic things others went to college, got degrees, and went to work making money.  Just as the millennials in my town known affectionately as Amazonians are doing.

 

One thing I can promise you, in 30 years the XYZ generation or whatever it's called will say the millennials ruined everything.  The truth is, we live in an imperfect world.  Grow up and deal with it like Baby Boomers and the Greatest Generation before them and one before them did.  Pick the football up and carry it down the field as far as you can.  You won't score a TD, but maybe a long FG.

Edited August 1, 2019 by reddogblitz