Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

And once again, I pointed out that it seems highly hypocritical for you to point out her history while Trump sits in the Oval Office.  That's how this started. And, again, I know that there's a difference between the two. And, again, you didn't bother to point out the difference until after I called you out. 

 

This has has devolved into stupidity. I'm leaving it aside from here in out. You can if you like -- or not. 

 

 

 

We fully knew what we were getting with Trump and he was voted into office. Don't you think we should fully know what we might be getting with Harris? Thanks for giving me your permission to end this. You've got my permission to stfu too.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[snafu]

4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Thanks for giving me your permission to end this. You've got my permission to stfu too.

 

I’m just chiming in to let you know that you took that the wrong way.

[B-Man]

Pro-Trump Protests Both Nights At Democratic Debates.

 

[row_33]

59 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Omph, not everyone is on the Kamala train:
 

 

(this one is a thread)
 

 

More at this article.

 

 

 

Is there a danger of the African-American vote going over to Trump in 2020?

 

[B-Man]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

Is there a danger of the African-American vote going over to Trump in 2020?

 

 

 

Certainly not a majority.................................................but enough to make a decided difference

 

 

 

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[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

Is there a danger of the African-American vote going over to Trump in 2020?

 

Danger? I am not sure what would be dangerous about voting for Trump over one of the loonies running on the D side.

[row_33]

11 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Certainly not a majority.................................................but enough to make a decided difference

 

 

 

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i assumed the lazy pollsters didn't even bother asking, just mailed in the usual 99% and collected the paycheck

 

it's a demographic that won't be boasting about voting for Trump, but nobody but yourself knows what lever you pulled when it mattered

 

 

[row_33]

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so poor Americans should denounce their citizenship in order to get free health care if the Dems win?

 

[3rdnlng]

55 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

I’m just chiming in to let you know that you took that the wrong way.

[B-Man]

Back to the candidates

 

 

Is Kamala Harris telling the truth about her Berkeley days?

by Paul Mirengoff

 

Original Article

 

 

 

 

Harvard Must Set the Record Straight on Elizabeth Warren

by Hal Lambert

 

Original Article

 

 

 

 

 

All Joe Biden Had to Do Was Look Moderate, and He Blew It

by Kyle Smith

 

Original Article

 

 

 

 

 

Socialist drift jeopardizes Dems’ chances of connecting with Cuban-American voters

by Alex Pappas

 

Original Article

 

 

 

 

 

Kamala Harris’ Attack on Joe Biden May Have Backfired

 

Original Article

 

 

 

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...the recent political climate, or perhaps going back 16+ years make the Nixon Dark Days look like pablum.......the Clinton Crime Syndicate got the ball rolling and then propped up the Illinois Jr Senator as a Fraud Pres. surrounded by ex-Clintonites....Emmanual, Sperling, Begaula, Bloomenthal & Bloomenthal, Podestra & Podestra, etc......perpetuated their grip on power.....built their base by kowtowing to the black & latino vote, favoring open borders to illegals (why the 'eff did my grandparents have to come through Ellis Island the LEGAL way?) and not giving a rat's azz as far as the ramifications on the country....their current "crop of crap" offerings are comical?.....Biden?...seriously?..never had a job other than politics says "Copyright (plagerism) Joe".....Kamala?......rode "Willie's wonka" to prominence?....Pocahontas?....'nuff said there....Corey Booker?...um okay....NYC 's flop house mayor?.....a real gem....quite an impressive list....do I like Trump pre-presidency?....nope...but the guy is as irascible, caustic,repugnanant and as combative as the "establishment" has EVER seen....never thought we woud see the corruption of DOJ or FBI exposed as it has been.....we thought FBI's J Edgar was bad....and we thought we had the "best political system in the world"....LOL....we are painfully learning otherwise....

[Doc Brown]

This was similar my overall feeling when watching the debates.  I cringed when they all raised their hands saying they'd cover health insurance for illegals.

 

A Wretched Start for Democrats

The party seems interested in helping everyone except the voters it needs.

 

Amigos demócratas,

Si ustedes siguen así, van a perder las elecciones. Y lo merecerán.

 

Translation for the linguistically benighted: “Democratic friends, if you go on like this, you’re going to lose the elections. And you’ll deserve it.”

 

In this week’s Democratic debates, it wasn’t just individual candidates who presented themselves to the public. It was also the party itself. What conclusions should ordinary people draw about what Democrats stand for, other than a thunderous repudiation of Donald Trump, and how they see America, other than as a land of unscrupulous profiteers and hapless victims?

 

Here’s what: a party that makes too many Americans feel like strangers in their own country. A party that puts more of its faith, and invests most of its efforts, in them instead of us.

 

They speak Spanish. We don’t. They are not U.S. citizens or legal residents. We are. They broke the rules to get into this country. We didn’t. They pay few or no taxes. We already pay most of those taxes. They willingly got themselves into debt. We’re asked to write it off. They don’t pay the premiums for private health insurance. We’re supposed to give up ours in exchange for some V.A.-type nightmare. They didn’t start enterprises that create employment and drive innovation. We’re expected to join the candidates in demonizing the job-creators, breaking up their businesses and taxing them to the hilt.

 

That was the broad gist of the Democratic message, in which the only honorable exceptions, like Maryland’s John Delaney and Colorado’s John Hickenlooper, came across as square dancers at a rave.

 

On closer inspection, the message got even worse.

 

Promising access to health insurance for north of 11 million undocumented immigrants at a time when there’s a migration crisis at the southern border? Every candidate at Thursday’s debate raised a hand for that one, in what was surely the evening’s best moment for the Trump campaign.

 

Calling for the decriminalization of border crossings (while opposing a wall)? That was a major theme of Wednesday’s debate, underlining the Republican contention that Democrats are a party of open borders, limitless amnesty and, in time, the Third World-ization of America.

 

Switching to Spanish? Memo to Beto O’Rourke and Cory Booker: If you can’t speak the language without a heavy American accent, don’t bother. It just reminds those of us who can that the only thing worse than an obnoxious gringo is a pandering one.

 

Eliminating private health insurance, an industry that employs more than 500,000 workers and insures 150 million? Elizabeth Warren, Bill de Blasio, Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris support it (though the California senator later recanted the position). Since Democrats are already committed to destroying the coal industry and seem inclined to turn Silicon Valley into a regulated utility, it’s worth asking: Just how much of the private economy are they even willing to keep?

 

And then there are the costs that Democrats want to impose on the country. Warren, for instance, favors universal child care (estimated cost, $70 billion a year), Medicare-For-All ($2.8 trillion to $3.2 trillion annually), student-debt cancellation and universal free college ($125 billion annually), and a comprehensive climate action plan ($2 trillion, including $100 billion in aid to poor countries), along with a raft of smaller giveaways, like debt relief for Puerto Rico.

 

As Everett Dirksen might have said: A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon you’re talking real money. Someone will have to pay for all this, and it won’t just be the very rich making between seven and 10 figures a year. It will be you.

 

Throughout the debates, I kept wondering if any of the leading candidates would speak to Americans beyond the Democratic base. But Joe Biden seemed too feeble, oratorically and intellectually, to buck the self-defeating trend. Pete Buttigieg was, as always, fluent, knowledgeable and sincere. But his big moment — a mea culpa for a racially charged policing incident in South Bend — felt like another well-mannered white guy desperate to put his wokeness on display.

 

Harris, meanwhile, came across as Barack Obama in reverse, especially with her scurrilous attack on Biden for the sin of having had a functional political relationship with two former segregationist senators in the 1970s. This was portrayed as a clever debate move but it will come to haunt her.

 

Obama’s political genius was to emphasize what Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt, authors of ‘The Coddling of the American Mind,” have called “common-humanity identity politics”— he made you feel comfortable no matter the color of your skin. Harris’s approach, by contrast, is “common-enemy identity politics.” Making white Americans feel racially on trial for views they may have held in the past on crime, busing and similar subjects is not going to help the Democrats.

 

None of this means that Democrats can’t win in 2020. The economy could take a bad turn. Or Trump could outdo himself in loathsomeness. But the Democratic Party we saw this week did even less to appeal beyond its base than the president. And at least his message is that he’s on their — make that our — side.

Edited June 29, 2019 by Doc Brown

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[B-Man]

42 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

This was similar my overall feeling when watching the debates.  I cringed when they all raised their hands saying they'd cover health insurance for illegals.

 

A Wretched Start for Democrats

The party seems interested in helping everyone except the voters it needs.

 

 

 

I would like to believe that many of them knew it was the wrong thing to raise your hand for.

 

Unfortunately, there is NO way anyone could get the nomination in today's Democrat Party without going in lockstep with the radical Left.

 

Too bad.

 

My parents were conservative democrats, they would have been appalled at where this "party of the people" is

 

 

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Edited June 29, 2019 by B-Man

[Nanker]

6 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Oh please...we listen endlessly to how  horrible it is that Trump is a sexist pig for paying off a porn star or how Kavanaugh was a rapist, but you mock one black chick for knobgobbling her way into office, and suddenly people are misogynists?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can’t wait for Knoblowchular to reveal the spit roast videos. They’ll have more weight than the Peeing Proatitutes of St. Petersburg Hotel 

5 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  I think that Jimmy goes before Bill but it is somewhat surprising to see how Bill has aged physically.  I don't see Bill living to 85 at this point.  I still think Hillary is on a mission to get herself elected and if that does not come to be in 2020 then she lives to attempt to place Chelsea in the White House.  But despite her deal with the devil I don't see her going past 85.

 

  I think for most traditional Big Labor or Big Government Democrats it is Biden that they want and maybe they would warm to Tulsi Gabbard if we are getting a true glimpse of who she is.  

 

  The GOP today is not the party of Reagan.  Today's GOP is about getting into the damn country club anyway possible damn the ethics.  The old GOP consisted of bankers that would never approve an auto loan for more than 4 years never mind double the expected lifetime of a vehicle.  It might have hurt a few people but for the vast majority it made people live within their means.  

Bill is a shriveled prune. He’s been sucked dry. Careful. She might throw the race/planned parenthood/sexist/anti Jamaican card against your azz. 

5 hours ago, snafu said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@IDBillzFan

I get it, the real point is that she earned her promotions in a way that’s hypocritical. That wasn’t 3rdlng’s message until AFTER all these posts — it was yours. He might have been thinking it, but his posts were simple ad homenim attacks.

 

 

 

 

 

And the current POTUS hasn’t undergone an incessant barrage of ad hominem attracts. Makes one wonder what hailstorm of media attacks await the next holder of that office.  

3 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

Is there a danger of the African-American vote going over to Trump in 2020?

 

Yep. Like, they’ve done so well after the last 200 + years of Democrat plantation management. 

Edited June 29, 2019 by Nanker

[Nanker]

11 hours ago, Nanker said:

And he’s the target of Buttaplug. The ineffective mayor of an insignificant city has a jihad going against Pence and all Christians. He’s the only candidate trying to delegitimize Christianity. How far the Leftists have come. Embrace their rainbow coalition Climate Change religious dogma or face public scorn. 

ButtPlug has a *****-stained mouth, a sore rectum, and a perverted sense of what is largely considered “normal” in America.

 

I don’t give two ***** for his sexual orientation or his proclivities to stuff objects up his fundament the “wrong way” in order to gain his sexual gratification.

 

I support his right to take as much #### up his azz as he (or his many partners) want. He can shower his face, chest, throat, and azz with the ***** of a thousand men for all I care. 

 

But he he is in no way the arbiter of morality in America today. 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

I would like to believe that many of them knew it was the wrong thing to raise your hand for.

 

Unfortunately, there is NO way anyone could get the nomination in today's Democrat Party without going in lockstep with the radical Left.

 

Too bad.

 

My parents were conservative democrats, they would have been appalled at where this "party of the people" is

The good thing about a two party system is that if one party gets out of whack America will let them know at the ballot box and they have to reverse course.

[Foxx]

1 hour ago, Nanker said:

ButtPlug has a *****-stained mouth, a sore rectum, and a perverted sense of what is largely considered “normal” in America.

 

I don’t give two ***** for his sexual orientation or his proclivities to stuff objects up his fundament the “wrong way” in order to gain his sexual gratification.

 

I support his right to take as much #### up his azz as he (or his many partners) want. He can shower his face, chest, throat, and azz with the ***** of a thousand men for all I care. 

 

But he he is in no way the arbiter of morality in America today. 

the perverse is being normalized more and more everyday. they have gotten to the point where next up on the list of the perverse to normalize is pedophilia and they have already begun.

 

don't get me wrong, if you want to be perverse, that is your business. but if you want to run for office and impose your perversion as normal on society, then i have a problem with that.

 

time to duck the tomatoes...

Edited June 29, 2019 by Foxx

[Buffalo_Gal]

I love when the "fair press" ?   feeds the questions to a candidate, or accepts set-up questions from a candidate, so one candidate can form a narrative against another candidate.  The MSM, up to their old tricks to influence an election.