RochesterRob Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, dpberr said: If the Democrats hoist Hillary up again for a 2020 run I'll be convinced politics is professional wrestling and the Democrats are simply the paid "heels" in the story. It is surprising that the Democrats will have had four years to find and craft a superiormoderate candidate to Trump and they still have a bunch of never will be's. Joe Biden? Really? He's as old and as big of a liar and story teller as Trump is. Elizabeth Warren is a flake. America hates the Clintons to such a degree that most felt they had no choice but to vote for Trump. Bloomberg doesn't have the energy to run for President. Nobody cares about Kamala Harris. As far as the analogy to pro wrestling it is apt where the Democrats are concerned and you have the Clintons to thank for that. Any serious competition in that party is waiting for Hillary to fade away in terms of health or other factors. Too much slow pitch softball was played where Hillary was concerned in 2016 to think that the contest was not fixed. Does the media sacrifice the remaining tiniest smidgeon of credibility away to pamper Hillary for 2020?
DC Tom Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 37 minutes ago, Foxx said: Beto! 2024. He'll give a keynote speech at the Democratic Convention in 2020. He's being groomed like Obama was. Democrats don't have policies. They have cults of personality. 3
Hedge Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, dpberr said: It is surprising that the Democrats will have had four years to find and craft a superior and moderate candidate to Trump and they still have a bunch of never will be's. It's not that surprising. During Obama's war on America, the Republicans had 8 years to come up with a plan and then Trump throttled them. Both parties seem to be out of touch with the majority of Americans.
3rdnlng Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, B-Man said: Here we go: Hillary third in new 2020 Democratic primary poll Thank the lord for a little easy Hillary content on a slow news day. “Some in Clintonworld say Hillary fully intends to be the nominee,” wrote Maureen Dowd yesterday of her chats with Clinton cronies. “Her consigliere, Philippe Reines, has prodded reporters on including her name when they write about 2020 candidates.” Bill has allegedly told friends that she knows how she’d run next time, with a scaled-down campaign in which she speaks from the heart instead of scripting everything. Which raises a horrifying question: What would Hillary Clinton speaking from the heart sound like? Anyway, it’s not happening. Early primary polls are nothing more or less than tests of name recognition and there may be no person alive today in America apart from ex-presidents whose name is recognized as much as Hillary Clinton’s is. If she’s not leading in the early polls, she surely won’t surge in later ones. In fact, her favorable rating here is a cozy 39/55, which ought to remind Democratic voters of one of her most dubious distinctions from 2016: Somehow she lost a popularity contest to Donald Trump. She may be the only Democrat in the country with a national profile who was capable of doing so. More at the link: Presuming that she has a heart, and that's quite a presumption, her way of speaking from the heart would be a series of "I don't feel no way tarred" or how she dodged sniper gunfire after landing in Bosnia. How can a liar speak from the heart?
Koko78 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 I'd suggest running an actual campaign, instead of a victory lap, this time. Might want to do it with someone who has an actual personality, while they're at it.
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, dpberr said: If the Democrats hoist Hillary up again for a 2020 run I'll be convinced politics is professional wrestling and the Democrats are simply the paid "heels" in the story. It is surprising that the Democrats will have had four years to find and craft a superior and moderate candidate to Trump and they still have a bunch of never will be's. Joe Biden? Really? He's as old and as big of a liar and story teller as Trump is. Elizabeth Warren is a flake. America hates the Clintons to such a degree that most felt they had no choice but to vote for Trump. Bloomberg doesn't have the energy to run for President. Nobody cares about Kamala Harris. Think feeder pools. To make a football analogy: Why are we seeing a dearth of NFL ready quarterbacks coming out of the draft? Because colleges aren't producing as many strong armed pocket passers as they used to, because the college game has changed, and the NFL model QB feeder pools have gone dry. To wit: Democrats aren't fielding strong viable national candidates because they aren't winning local and state elections, so they have very few young stars on their bench gaining name recognition, and branding themselves as credentialed candidates for federal elections. In the places they do win state and locals, the liberal strongholds of the country; those elected officials tend to represent the extreme fringes of the bases who elect them, and aren't palatable to the national electorate. Edited December 4, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 If she runs it is because the CGI needs cash or to try and spin those cases of files that were removed from Little Rock as a "political hit job".
Koko78 Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: To wit: Democrats aren't fielding strong viable national candidates because they aren't winning local and state elections, so they have very few young stars on their bench gaining name recognition, and branding themselves as credentialed candidates for federal elections. In the places they do win state and locals, the liberal strongholds of the country; those elected officials tend to represent the extreme fringes of the bases who elect them, and aren't palatable to the national electorate. C'mon man, they have Lieawatha, who was caught lying about her cultural heritage, and lying about using that fake heritage to advance her academic and political career. Kamala Harris, who got caught faking a video about Kavanaugh lying, and Sparticus, who got caught pretending to be a rebel who ignored the rules. Let's not forget about Creepy Uncle Joe, as well! Their bench is stocked!
Deranged Rhino Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 #Basta https://mobile.twitter.com/breaking9111/status/1070002691605233665 1
3rdnlng Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 30 minutes ago, Koko78 said: C'mon man, they have Lieawatha, who was caught lying about her cultural heritage, and lying about using that fake heritage to advance her academic and political career. Kamala Harris, who got caught faking a video about Kavanaugh lying, and Sparticus, who got caught pretending to be a rebel who ignored the rules. Let's not forget about Creepy Uncle Joe, as well! Their bench is stocked! Every one of those potential candidates have skeletons in their closet and can be mocked to no end. Just think of Joe Biden and his "Villages" song.
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: #Basta https://mobile.twitter.com/breaking9111/status/1070002691605233665 Darn. He coulda been a contender ... from a prison cell. 1
DC Tom Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 27 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: #Basta https://mobile.twitter.com/breaking9111/status/1070002691605233665 Trump will campaign against him anyway. Just watch.
snafu Posted December 4, 2018 Author Posted December 4, 2018 4 hours ago, DC Tom said: 2024. He'll give a keynote speech at the Democratic Convention in 2020. He's being groomed like Obama was. Democrats don't have policies. They have cults of personality. 5 hours ago, dpberr said: If the Democrats hoist Hillary up again for a 2020 run I'll be convinced politics is professional wrestling and the Democrats are simply the paid "heels" in the story. It is surprising that the Democrats will have had four years to find and craft a superior and moderate candidate to Trump and they still have a bunch of never will be's. Joe Biden? Really? He's as old and as big of a liar and story teller as Trump is. Elizabeth Warren is a flake. America hates the Clintons to such a degree that most felt they had no choice but to vote for Trump. Bloomberg doesn't have the energy to run for President. Nobody cares about Kamala Harris. 5 hours ago, Foxx said: Beto! Beto is not going to wait until 2024 if this continues to be the message out of Iowa. And if some Dem wins in 2020, then Beto's got to wait until 2028. The problem with Beto not waiting is that no other candidate will just step aside to let him in. The run up to 2020 is going to be supremely entertaining. https://www.wsj.com/articles/iowa-democrats-say-they-want-generational-change-1543833001 1
DC Tom Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 2 hours ago, snafu said: Beto is not going to wait until 2024 if this continues to be the message out of Iowa. And if some Dem wins in 2020, then Beto's got to wait until 2028. The problem with Beto not waiting is that no other candidate will just step aside to let him in. The run up to 2020 is going to be supremely entertaining. https://www.wsj.com/articles/iowa-democrats-say-they-want-generational-change-1543833001 He'll have to wait until 2024. He doesn't have the national exposure yet to make a 2020 run, and the Democrats won't waste him in a year when their only platform is "Orange Man Bad." The Democrats will make sure he gets national exposure during the 2020 cycle, with a promise to crown him His Royal Democratic Highness in 2024.
reddogblitz Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 8 hours ago, DC Tom said: 2024. He'll give a keynote speech at the Democratic Convention in 2020. He's being groomed like Obama was. Democrats don't have policies. They have cults of personality. Are they ceding the 2020 to Trump? This is his best chance. If a D wins in 2020 he won't be able to run in 2024 and would a fool to run in 2028 if the D wins a second term. So then it's 2032 when he'll be 60 with a long track record and more baggage. If he's gonna run, now is the time IMHO.
B-Man Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 MIKE ALLEN, JIM VANDEHEI: The Democrats’ 2020 Free-For-All. .
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 I didn't know he was even considering running...Deval Patrick bows out of 2020 presidential run
keepthefaith Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 23 hours ago, DC Tom said: He'll have to wait until 2024. He doesn't have the national exposure yet to make a 2020 run, and the Democrats won't waste him in a year when their only platform is "Orange Man Bad." The Democrats will make sure he gets national exposure during the 2020 cycle, with a promise to crown him His Royal Democratic Highness in 2024. Maybe but Dems likely see Trump as a weak incumbent with very high negatives which might motivate some like Beto to run in 2020 that would otherwise wait. He got a lot of exposure this last cycle against Cruz. Will likely be a huge Dem field in 2020 and again in 2024 if Trump manages to win. Flake (or someone else) on the other hand who hates Trump might run as an independent and Ross Perot-bomb Trump.
3rdnlng Posted December 6, 2018 Posted December 6, 2018 23 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Maybe but Dems likely see Trump as a weak incumbent with very high negatives which might motivate some like Beto to run in 2020 that would otherwise wait. He got a lot of exposure this last cycle against Cruz. Will likely be a huge Dem field in 2020 and again in 2024 if Trump manages to win. Flake (or someone else) on the other hand who hates Trump might run as an independent and Ross Perot-bomb Trump. Flake is nothing like Perot. The outsider is already the president. Those dynamics just aren't there. 3
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