Foxx Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 10 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: ... Thanks Republicans for my $2700 negative swing in my federal returns and advertising it as the biggest tax cut in history and a boon for the middle-class that's some real world maths right there. ?
Foxx Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: And there are still a number of schools here still without it. i'm guessing you're not an English teacher. 1
4merper4mer Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 2 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: There’s a million page thread here mocking climate change science. This board has it all figured out already. Ok commie. If if the USA disappeared from the face of the Earth at noon today would global warming be solved? How about if just the Republicans disappeared? Communizing world economies, as is quite clearly the goal of many charlatans screaming for climate change, would not solve global warming any better than it has solved anything else. US Rebuplicans are among the last bogeymen available. In truth, more capitalism is the proper path. 5 1
BeginnersMind Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Ok commie. If if the USA disappeared from the face of the Earth at noon today would global warming be solved? How about if just the Republicans disappeared? Communizing world economies, as is quite clearly the goal of many charlatans screaming for climate change, would not solve global warming any better than it has solved anything else. US Rebuplicans are among the last bogeymen available. In truth, more capitalism is the proper path. Who are you arguing with?
GG Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 3 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: There’s a million page thread here mocking climate change science. This board has it all figured out already. The vast majority of the posts in the million page thread are not mocking science, but the pseudo scientific solutions offered to combat warming. Funny how someone who claims to hate socialism has no problems with uber socialistic solutions that the global warming alarmists are offering. 4
RochesterRob Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 11 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Ridiculous hyperbole (other than living in 87 degrees during the Summer. I live in that without AC a huge chunk of the year living in the tropics.) And I thought you guys were all about serious and thoughtful discussion over here in PPP. Not hyperbole. People being forced to pay dramatically increased taxes will create hardship. Most of America is not highly affluent. Americans if forced to shoulder such an initiative will have to make personal cuts that will be painful. You offer nothing as a counter point to what I stated but yet you claim people are not serious about discussing how a 100 trillion dollar initiative over 10 years will be paid for. 2
DC Tom Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Not hyperbole. People being forced to pay dramatically increased taxes will create hardship. Most of America is not highly affluent. Americans if forced to shoulder such an initiative will have to make personal cuts that will be painful. You offer nothing as a counter point to what I stated but yet you claim people are not serious about discussing how a 100 trillion dollar initiative over 10 years will be paid for. Don't ask how to pay for it. Ask what we'll do with our new-found prosperity. 1
3rdnlng Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/most-polluted-countries-in-the-world/ss-BBTyP8Y?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPDHP17#image=51 For what it's worth, this article claims that dust storms and the burning of wood for fueling cookstoves, etc. is a major carbon polluter in many of these countries. Edited April 11, 2019 by 3rdnlng
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 So when I walked into the hairdresser this morning, my stylist started sniffing my hair. When I asked him what he was doing, he said, "I'm Joe Biden!" ... and then he started rubbing my shoulders. ' 1 2
3rdnlng Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: So when I walked into the hairdresser this morning, my stylist started sniffing my hair. When I asked him what he was doing, he said, "I'm Joe Biden!" ... and then he started rubbing my shoulders. ' From your emojis it would appear that things worked out in the end.
transplantbillsfan Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 3 hours ago, RochesterRob said: Not hyperbole. People being forced to pay dramatically increased taxes will create hardship. Most of America is not highly affluent. Americans if forced to shoulder such an initiative will have to make personal cuts that will be painful. You offer nothing as a counter point to what I stated but yet you claim people are not serious about discussing how a 100 trillion dollar initiative over 10 years will be paid for. Why do you assume taxes on hard working middle class and lower America would have to be the ones forced to pay the bulk of this? Think long and hard about this one.
BeginnersMind Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 5 hours ago, GG said: Funny how someone who claims to hate socialism has no problems with uber socialistic solutions that the global warming alarmists are offering. I invite you to back up that bit of fiction. I’ll be right here.
snafu Posted April 11, 2019 Author Posted April 11, 2019 58 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Why do you assume taxes on hard working middle class and lower America would have to be the ones forced to pay the bulk of this? Think long and hard about this one. I will ask the obvious question: Who do YOU assume is going to shoulder the load? It isn't just taxes. If utility companies have to switch to entirely green measures to generate electricity, then aren't their bills going to go up to finance the changeover? If auto companies switch to electric-only cars, what do people do with their obsolete fossil fuel burners? Gotta buy a new lawnmower. Gotta change over all gas users to electric. Who pays for that? Any small business owner who relies on gasoline or natural gas for their livelihood. Who pays for their switchover (whatever that entails)? If you say "the rich" then who's left to make investments to keep the economy moving? Who improves unimproved real property if there's no one who can afford to take the risk of loss? People who have money to LOSE are the ones who innovate and take the risk of improving our society. They are the risk-takers. When the government decides that it wants to take money from private citizens, do you think they take risks which grow the economy? I strongly believe that the answer is no.
Buffalo_Gal Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: From your emojis it would appear that things worked out in the end. Yeah, my hair looks beautiful. And smells nice too.
snafu Posted April 11, 2019 Author Posted April 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Yeah, my hair looks beautiful. And smells nice too. I'll be the judge of that! 3 1
GG Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, BeginnersMind said: I invite you to back up that bit of fiction. I’ll be right here. There's a very lengthy thread still on the first page of PPP along with the Green New Deal thread. Plenty of laughter at the proposed solutions, and not as much talk about the US being the primary cause of climate change.
transplantbillsfan Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 50 minutes ago, snafu said: I will ask the obvious question: Who do YOU assume is going to shoulder the load? It isn't just taxes. If utility companies have to switch to entirely green measures to generate electricity, then aren't their bills going to go up to finance the changeover? If auto companies switch to electric-only cars, what do people do with their obsolete fossil fuel burners? Gotta buy a new lawnmower. Gotta change over all gas users to electric. Who pays for that? Any small business owner who relies on gasoline or natural gas for their livelihood. Who pays for their switchover (whatever that entails)? If you say "the rich" then who's left to make investments to keep the economy moving? Who improves unimproved real property if there's no one who can afford to take the risk of loss? People who have money to LOSE are the ones who innovate and take the risk of improving our society. They are the risk-takers. When the government decides that it wants to take money from private citizens, do you think they take risks which grow the economy? I strongly believe that the answer is no. To me, this is just the position of a frightened hermit. Change isn't something that's ever fluid or easy. It naturally comes with hiccups. If you think I'm of the opinion that this would be easy, you're wrong. Just because it's not easy doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. It amazes me sometimes people's (Republicans particularly) perspectives on what they'll pay for. Get rid of Social Security because it costs to much--from the retired dude already getting Social Security. Don't tax me for public education! I don't have kids! --from the 40 year old who'll live to see that crop of young people become his/her law enforcement officers, legislatures, senators, Presidents... etc. Don't tax me for military spending! --oh wait, that seems to be the one thing Republicans are good with getting taxed on.... along with the VA. Highways/roads/bridges, law enforcement, fire departments, museums, prisons, salting and plowing our roads in winter, street lights, Amtrak, public parks, state and national monuments, Secret Service (and all those damn Golf outings and trips to Mara Largo by the President)... I mean, seriously? You think we have the perfect taxation system and it's at its saturation point right now? You think we have our taxes perfectly allocated to all those publicly funded things that you're paying for? Or you think you'd want to get rid of some or all of them? What better way to spend a little more money in taxes than on the planet we have to leave in place for our children and their children? Stop being such a cotton headed ninny muggins.
BeginnersMind Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, GG said: There's a very lengthy thread still on the first page of PPP along with the Green New Deal thread. Plenty of laughter at the proposed solutions, and not as much talk about the US being the primary cause of climate change. You could just apologize and admit you were wrong about what you think I believe.
GG Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 Just now, BeginnersMind said: You could just apologize and admit you were wrong about what you think I believe. Considering that the only consistent thing about your posting history is lack of consistency, you are right. Nobody knows what you believe, except to be a troll 1
BeginnersMind Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, GG said: Considering that the only consistent thing about your posting history is lack of consistency, you are right. Nobody knows what you believe, except to be a troll I’ll happily take that as an admission that you were wrong, thank you. I do not believe in socialistic solutions to climate change. Edited April 11, 2019 by BeginnersMind
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