DC Tom Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 8:15 PM, Buffalo_Gal said: Expand Individual teachers, or the teachers' unions?
keepthefaith Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 8:15 PM, Buffalo_Gal said: Expand He proving to be one tough old bird.
3rdnlng Posted January 2, 2020 Posted January 2, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 8:18 PM, DC Tom said: Individual teachers, or the teachers' unions? Expand Both.
3rdnlng Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 11:52 PM, Buffalo_Gal said: LOL Expand HOW?
ALF Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 As a independent I supported Ross Perot , John Kasich and now Tulsi Gabbard , what a winning track record I have. 2
Chef Jim Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 1:53 PM, ALF said: As a independent I supported Ross Perot , John Kasich and now Tulsi Gabbard , what a winning track record I have. Expand Well at least they got progressively better looking. So you got that going for you. 1
John Adams Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) On 1/3/2020 at 1:53 PM, ALF said: As a independent I supported Ross Perot , John Kasich and now Tulsi Gabbard , what a winning track record I have. Expand I've yet to vote for a winning presidential candidate and have often (but not always) voted for one of the two party nominees. Edited January 3, 2020 by John Adams
section122 Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 8:15 PM, Buffalo_Gal said: Expand Now we are demonizing teachers?
row_33 Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 1:53 PM, ALF said: As a independent I supported Ross Perot , John Kasich and now Tulsi Gabbard , what a winning track record I have. Expand too young for John Anderson? (the singer spelled it diff)
Buffalo_Gal Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 3:40 PM, section122 said: Now we are demonizing teachers? Expand My father was a teacher. ? With that said, he voted Democrat his whole life because that is who was willing to give the teachers $$ contracts. When he began teaching ('63) he left a FT gig at Chevy. He took a 65% pay cut to teach. Teachers were severely underpaid back then. My niece is now a teacher (same school district my father taught in for 35+ years). The pay is not the issue these days, but it is difficult to turn off the money spigot. You (generic you) keep voting for the people who give you more money, power (control), and the people that will further your agenda. Apparently, the teachers unions (and the teachers themselves) feel that person is Bernie. Goodness knows the public school curriculum of the past 30 years has been so fabulous, it should continue on course. ? ? 1
RochesterRob Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) On 1/3/2020 at 3:43 PM, row_33 said: too young for John Anderson? (the singer spelled it diff) Expand I always wanted John Anderson the actor to take a run for POTUS. The guy always looked like he would not back down easily judging from the Westerns he did. Edited January 3, 2020 by RochesterRob 1
section122 Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 4:09 PM, Buffalo_Gal said: My father was a teacher. ? With that said, he voted Democrat his whole life because that is who was willing to give the teachers $$ contracts. When he began teaching ('63) he left a FT gig at Chevy. He took a 65% pay cut to teach. Teachers were severely underpaid back then. My niece is now a teacher (same school district my father taught in for 35+ years). The pay is not the issue these days, but it is difficult to turn off the money spigot. You (generic you) keep voting for the people who give you more money, power (control), and the people that will further your agenda. Apparently, the teachers unions (and the teachers themselves) feel that person is Bernie. Goodness knows the public school curriculum of the past 30 years has been so fabulous, it should continue on course. ? ? Expand Both of my parents were teachers as well. They didn't vote for money but for who would take education seriously and that they thought cared about the youth of America. Most teachers i know do not like Betsy DeVos. She does not align with them. Both of my parents are republican. Pay is still an issue at many schools and for many teachers. The hours the work outside of the classroom, the lack of funding, and the need to deal with zany parents are also issues. I think its funny you chose a 30 year demarcation line. The last 30 years include 3 republican presidents and 2 democrats. 16 years to 14 years dem to republican control. Surely if education is such a mess then the blame is split? Lastly, is it a surprise that people who dedicate their lives to bettering others support a candidate with similar ideals? Bernie isnt a perfect candidate but his track record on equal rights for minorities and lgtb is better and longer than any other candidate. He has an authenticity that the Bidens, Clintons, and Warrens of the world lack.
Deranged Rhino Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 4:33 PM, section122 said: Both of my parents were teachers as well. They didn't vote for money but for who would take education seriously and that they thought cared about the youth of America. Most teachers i know do not like Betsy DeVos. She does not align with them. Both of my parents are republican. Pay is still an issue at many schools and for many teachers. The hours the work outside of the classroom, the lack of funding, and the need to deal with zany parents are also issues. I think its funny you chose a 30 year demarcation line. The last 30 years include 3 republican presidents and 2 democrats. 16 years to 14 years dem to republican control. Surely if education is such a mess then the blame is split? Lastly, is it a surprise that people who dedicate their lives to bettering others support a candidate with similar ideals? Bernie isnt a perfect candidate but his track record on equal rights for minorities and lgtb is better and longer than any other candidate. He has an authenticity that the Bidens, Clintons, and Warrens of the world lack. Expand Except for one problem... he's advocating for a system of government which is incompatible with everything ours stands for. 3
row_33 Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 22 of the 25 full time working adults in the family were teachers, veeps and principals i accept they were dedicated and worked hard, most coached fall and winter teams (for free in Canada) as well for decades at the same time they dominated all the family gatherings (about 15 a year in total) and whined and complained the same litany non-stop.... i thought it was a good job, i certainly could never have done it 1
section122 Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 4:38 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Except for one problem... he's advocating for a system of government which is incompatible with everything ours stands for. Expand People over profits?
Deranged Rhino Posted January 3, 2020 Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 6:05 PM, section122 said: People over profits? Expand Communism over Capitalism.
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