row_33 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I have no idea what any of that means. you take a proposed budget as meaning anything useful at all in reality, which is okay work with a few of them in various areas and you see how totally meaningless they are budgets have to be handed in, but they are rarely serious in implementation and a government budget submitted in 2019 is extremely understating expenses Edited March 27, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: you take a proposed budget as meaning anything useful at all in reality, which is okay work with a few of them in various areas and you see how totally meaningless they are budgets have to be handed in, but they are rarely serious in implementation and a government budget submitted in 2910 is extremely understating expenses Projections this far out are usually quite useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Projections this far out are usually quite useless. you beat me to the edit punch actually i wouldn't be surprised to see budgets this year that project to "breakeven" by 2910 the way things are going these days.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, row_33 said: you take a proposed budget as meaning anything useful at all in reality, which is okay work with a few of them in various areas and you see how totally meaningless they are budgets have to be handed in, but they are rarely serious in implementation I’m not sure you understand. Your state government cannot print money! They have to balance their budget each year or the checks will bounce. Yes, they have a working budget that acts as a framework for spending through the fiscal year (just like you do at home) but at the end of the year the state government cannot borrow or print money if they’ve over spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: And that’s the core problem. The federal government can run a deficit. Your state government cannot. If teachers need more pay, and maybe they do, then the state government has to find it in their balanced budgets to find the money or raise state income tax. Naw, it's just simpler to send in the Federal Reserve and kick some ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m not sure you understand. Your state government cannot print money! They have to balance their budget each year or the checks will bounce. Yes, they have a working budget that acts as a framework for spending through the fiscal year (just like you do at home) but at the end of the year the state government cannot borrow or print money if they’ve over spent. okay sure, a state budget is fully balanced on paper and fact every single year.... i'm well aware of what a budget is supposed to do, and i'm well aware of how it is rigged to meet goals and hide things to make it work. and it has to be produced, that's life, but it's not any reliable indicator fiscally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 18 minutes ago, row_33 said: okay sure, a state budget is fully balanced on paper and fact every single year.... i'm well aware of what a budget is supposed to do, and i'm well aware of how it is rigged to meet goals and hide things to make it work. and it has to be produced, that's life, but it's not any reliable indicator fiscally You mean we can't expect to triple parking revenues for the next fiscal year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 18 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: You mean we can't expect to triple parking revenues for the next fiscal year? i can balance any budget, the deficit is the real problem, one without the other is kind of meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: My wife is a teacher. Education is supposed to be funded by the STATE not federal government. If you’d like teachers to make more money then lobby your STATE government. Tibs is an idiot, but he's not entirely wrong. The Federal government could conceivably fund a teacher pay increase through grants/reimbursements/etc. to the states. They cannot directly give the money to the teachers, but no state government is going to turn down free federal money to placate their teacher's unions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Tibs is an idiot, but he's not entirely wrong. The Federal government could conceivably fund a teacher pay increase through grants/reimbursements/etc. to the states. They cannot directly give the money to the teachers, but no state government is going to turn down free federal money to placate their teacher's unions. And in doing so, the Feds would in fact take more control and increase their influence in programs that should be run and controlled by the states. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: And in doing so, the Feds would in fact take more control and increase their influence in programs that should be run and controlled by the states. True. Just like with federal highway funds, it becomes leverage to get the states to adopt federal directives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 of the 20 adults working full time in the prior generation, 18 were teachers in the public system they whined and complained the entire time for every family get together, a dozen times a year it never ends.... i thought it was a good living, they cared and i respect that they coached sports (without pay in Canada) for most of their career, still don't see why they insisted on a martyr complex 100% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Koko78 said: True. Just like with federal highway funds, it becomes leverage to get the states to adopt federal directives. "I can't drive 55". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 43 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: "I can't drive 55". ? Was listening to that song on the way into work this morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Koko78 said: ? Was listening to that song on the way into work this morning. I had a similar instance when I pulled on to "Baker Street". It was almost like it was coming from my GPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 On 3/25/2019 at 1:32 PM, snafu said: I don't think anyone noticed, but during all the commotion of this past weekend, Gillibrand announced her candidacy. Nice judgment exhibited right there on her part -- especially since she already announced it on March 17th. Yesterday announcement: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kirsten-gillibrand-presidential-announcement-democratic-primary-trump-hotel-new-york_n_5c97da3be4b0a6329e180a82 March 17 announcement: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/im-running-president-york-sen-kirsten-gillibrand-formally/story?id=61732255 Oh WAIT!!, she also announced back in January: https://www.npr.org/2019/01/15/678292493/new-york-sen-kirsten-gillibrand-announces-2020-presidential-run Maybe she will announce her candidacy every Sunday until someone, anyone, notices. Maybe THIS will get her noticed. 2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Not only can the Federal Reserve order it but they can enforce it too. Is the idiot now suggesting that teachers work for minimum wage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Nanker said: I too work out in shirts that plainly represent peoples general disinterest in me... Good god she's thirsty for someone, anyone to care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Koko78 said: Tibs is an idiot, but he's not entirely wrong. The Federal government could conceivably fund a teacher pay increase through grants/reimbursements/etc. to the states. They cannot directly give the money to the teachers, but no state government is going to turn down free federal money to placate their teacher's unions. Oh brother! Don’t people understand that this is totally borrowed money? The federal government is running huge deficits every year! Sure the feds can put a pay increase on the credit card but why stop with teachers? Let’s just have the feds give EVERYONE more printed money? Oh yeah...that’s where hyper inflation comes from! Sheeesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Koko78 said: Tibs is an idiot, but he's not entirely wrong. The Federal government could conceivably fund a teacher pay increase through grants/reimbursements/etc. to the states. They cannot directly give the money to the teachers, but no state government is going to turn down free federal money to placate their teacher's unions. I have family in education and not a single one of them gives a rats ass about the unions. In this area at least, the unions do nothing but protect bad teachers. True education reform would look like making the schools competitive in some way (major reason why school choice is, in my opinion, a good idea) to encourage teachers to actually try. I know three kinds of teachers- the sucky teachers who do as little as possible but toe the party line so they stay in place. The good teachers who go above and beyond (two of my sisters match this category) but end up bogged down by the administration and all the stupid restrictions (not to mention the influence of sucky teachers) and the good, former teachers who got burned out because they had to put up with all the ***** and couldn't handle it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 39 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Oh brother! Don’t people understand that this is totally borrowed money? The federal government is running huge deficits every year! Sure the feds can put a pay increase on the credit card but why stop with teachers? Let’s just have the feds give EVERYONE more printed money? Oh yeah...that’s where hyper inflation comes from! Sheeesh Yes, much of the federal budget is borrowed. We all know this. We've all known it for decades. Thanks for making sure we know it... This is purely political pandering in a sadly transparent effort to buy votes and endorsements, same with the reparation bullschiff. 33 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I have family in education and not a single one of them gives a rats ass about the unions. In this area at least, the unions do nothing but protect bad teachers. True education reform would look like making the schools competitive in some way (major reason why school choice is, in my opinion, a good idea) to encourage teachers to actually try. I know three kinds of teachers- the sucky teachers who do as little as possible but toe the party line so they stay in place. The good teachers who go above and beyond (two of my sisters match this category) but end up bogged down by the administration and all the stupid restrictions (not to mention the influence of sucky teachers) and the good, former teachers who got burned out because they had to put up with all the ***** and couldn't handle it. I highly doubt Harris gives two schiffs about the teachers themselves. She is pandering to their unions for their money (and, of course, to proclaim how pro-union she is to the idiot masses.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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