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7 minutes ago, Cheesus said:

One time he dropped in coverage on a third and long and the pass was completed to the guy in his zone. We blitzed a cb or safety on the other side but they didn't get to the qb in time. I'd rather have Hughes straight rushing in this situation. 

 

JMO, but it's also about showing another wrinkle, doing something that's not expected. Murphy dropped against the Vikings and probably should have had a pick.

 

Every play isn't going to work every time. I get the point, though. You're having a player do something that he isn't great at, while taking him away from doing what he's best at. That's why you don't do it often.

 

Was the 3rd down converted?

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3 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I don’t get why we take our best pass rusher and put him in a position where he can’t utilize his most dangerous talent. 

 

Simple. See Von Miller's interception of Tom Brady in the AFC Championship Game a few years back. You don't want to do it all the time, but a good defense will sprinkle it in from time to time. It's not something a QB would expect which can be a good thing.

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3 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Anyone else pick up on this? The last few weeks, Hughes has occasionally dropped into coverage. Most notably, it happened this past week on a key third down and we brought three. I don’t get why we take our best pass rusher and put him in a position where he can’t utilize his most dangerous talent. 

 

It’s ok if you don’t understand coach’s thinking. 

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1 hour ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

But Hughes dropping isn't an issue. If it happens 5-10 times per year, and it isn't hurting the team, why does it matter?

 

Discussion is one thing, criticising unnecessarily is another.

What's wrong with discussing an issue he has with dropping linemen? It's his opinion.  So what if his opinion is critical. It's a discussion board. Discussion and criticising can occur in the same post. You make it seem like he's criticising uneccerally. Uneccerally to who, you? That thought process is rather subjective, as is his post.. In my subjective opinion, the op did not criticize uneccerally. Sorry you feel that way. Op, continue.

 

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I agree with most everyone here.  It's a fairly standard tactic.   

 

And, as others have said, Hughes has the physical tools to do it.   He didn't quite make it as a 3-4 OLB, but he was close.   

 

On the play where a ball was completed on him, he was in surprisingly good position.   

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I've seen Rex clap and clench his fist after a good play and I've also noticed McD do the exact same thing.

 

Clearly the ghost of Rex lingers (despite the fact that we just had a game winning 4th quarter drive ?)

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4 hours ago, Dopey said:

What's wrong with discussing an issue he has with dropping linemen? It's his opinion.  So what if his opinion is critical. It's a discussion board. Discussion and criticising can occur in the same post. You make it seem like he's criticising uneccerally. Uneccerally to who, you? That thought process is rather subjective, as is his post.. In my subjective opinion, the op did not criticize uneccerally. Sorry you feel that way. Op, continue.

 

 

By unnecessary, I meant that in this case specifically, it didn't really cost the team. If the OP has a problem with it, then it's obviously a warranted discussion to them. I just don't understand why you would criticise something that's really not a big deal, in this case and in general. Hughes dropping in this scheme isn't an exact replica of Mario in Rex's scheme.

 

Maybe my comment was a bit snarky/poorly worded...sorry OP. 

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3 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Anyone else pick up on this? The last few weeks, Hughes has occasionally dropped into coverage. Most notably, it happened this past week on a key third down and we brought three. I don’t get why we take our best pass rusher and put him in a position where he can’t utilize his most dangerous talent. 

Miller , Mack ,Hughes etc all occasionally do it . I remember the 3rd down you're speaking of and i was a lil frustrated but it was actually good coverage and you gotta mix it up and drop ur best pass rusher sometimes. Again, i only saw this once all year with Hughes, I'm sure he has dropped more but Rex had him and Super Mario dropping a ton for 2 guys coming off double digit sacks

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29 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

By unnecessary, I meant that in this case specifically, it didn't really cost the team. If the OP has a problem with it, then it's obviously a warrented discussion to them. I just don't understand why you would criticise something that's really not a big deal, in this case and in general. Hughes dropping in this scheme isn't an exact replica of Mario in Rex's scheme.

 

Maybe my comment was a but snarky/poorly worded...sorry OP. 

Maybe It's me. I'm getting ready to be hit by hurricane Michael(Tallahasse) and feeling anxious. 3 dogs and a cat will be hunkering down with me.

Hurricane or snow for months: I am really debating after 26 yrs here.

That'd be a good poll.

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44 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Maybe It's me. I'm getting ready to be hit by hurricane Michael(Tallahasse) and feeling anxious. 3 dogs and a cat will be hunkering down with me.

Hurricane or snow for months: I am really debating after 26 yrs here.

That'd be a good poll.

 

Stay safe! My brother in law came in from Destin last night. Mandatory evac there.

 

I'm in DeLand (working in Winter Garden area today; eerie feel outside). Irma and Matthew were close calls but could have been much worse. 2004 OTOH was something else.

 

 

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5 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Anyone else pick up on this? The last few weeks, Hughes has occasionally dropped into coverage. Most notably, it happened this past week on a key third down and we brought three. I don’t get why we take our best pass rusher and put him in a position where he can’t utilize his most dangerous talent. 

 

You dont get it because you dont have a solid grasp on defensive concepts and schemes.

 

The Bills do not blitz a lot, but instesd use simulated pressure quite a bit. They threaten Double A gap blitzes and drop out, they blitz a corner or safety and have Hughes drop out into coverage, they usually rush 4 players but its not always the 4 you think are coming. That causes confusion and blocking assignment errors by the offense. It also allows them to play coverage behind it with 7 players.

 

So yes, there will be times when Hughes drops into coverage. Why? Because to truly be effective the scheme has to have players coming from all over. If Hughes always is rushing then the scheme becomes less effective overall since the offense can always account for what he will be doing.

 

This is not just a Bills thing. Most teams run some version of a zone blitz, some more than others and in different ways but let's not pretend this is something we are the only ones running.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

Stay safe! My brother in law came in from Destin last night. Mandatory evac there.

 

I'm in DeLand (working in Winter Garden area today; eerie feel outside). Irma and Matthew were close calls but could have been much worse. 2004 OTOH was something else.

 

 

I worked for Florida emergency management at the time. I remember. Peace.

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