The Real Buffalo Joe Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: Demarco Murray, Orleans Darkwa or Terrence West IMO Murray's stats from his last season in Dallas, vs his first in Philly prove that he's useless without a good OL.
John from Riverside Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 What I hope the bills dont do is settle for later then a 2nd round pick Anything less then a second and I would just keep him..... 2
BillsFan130 Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: Murray's stats from his last season in Dallas, vs his first in Philly prove that he's useless without a good OL. Or that Chip Kelly was just a complete idiot and didn’t know how to use his players right lol. Murray did very well in Tennessee after leaving Philly
YoloinOhio Posted October 11, 2018 Author Posted October 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: Murray's stats from his last season in Dallas, vs his first in Philly prove that he's useless without a good OL. I thought he retired anyway
1billsfan Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 The Bills are 2-3 Pats, Dolphins and Jets have looked poor so far Other than the Chiefs, the entire AFC conference is blah The Bills would be insane to deal their best offensive weapon (unless it was a 1st rounder of course). This team can win their next three games which includes the Patriots/Bills game.
Kirby Jackson Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Demarco Murray - really the only name I recognize Orleans Darkwa - Jax worked him out and then signed Jamaal Charles instead Terrence West - Formerly Browns, Ravens, Titans and New Orleans Saints. that list says enough no? Are they really a 1 for 1 replacement for Shady? If they were why isn't Philly pursuing them? They aren’t going to replace his production but will be a fraction of the cost and you’d get a pick. That’s the reasoning. The Bills aren’t doing this because there are guys as good as Shady on the street. They are doing it for the asset(s) and cap space. 1 hour ago, JerseyBills said: Why would Shady not be here next year?!? His running style protects him from big shots most rb take. He'll still be a valuable piece to the O and Allen and worth every penny of his contract. I would keep him. I’m just not sure that they will. Shady won’t be on this team when the Bills are contenders. They may decide on cap space and an asset (or assets). 1
blacklabel Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 1:15 PM, teef said: I’m with ya here. Completely depends on the pick. 3rd or more...you almost have to. What’s up with Murphy? Is he hurt or a healthy scratch? I know Murphy has been dealing with a rib/chest injury... but before that I think he was a healthy scratch in a game or two because he's struggled with blitz pickup and pass protection, and he dropped more than a few passes, so.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: Drake Dixon Kamara Hunt Conner Cohen Jamaal Mack Freeman Hines As I said, all 10 have either been starters already or are more like Cohen where they’re playing a lot of snaps and playing well but aren’t technically the starter. Are all of these guys as good as Prime McCoy? No. Are they as good as Current McCoy and Next Year McCoy? Not all of them, but for the money, I’d rather have a committee including guys like this than to spend $9 million on McCoy, who’s arguably a below average starter right now and in the very least, could realistically be below average next season. Well, I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. From your 50% odds of getting a good player, as I see it maybe half those guys look like legit NFL starting RBs and for some it's too soon to tell. I think the odds are more like 20-25%, and I think it's foolish to trade away one of the best players on the team in the middle of the season, for a lottery ticket with 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 odds. But neither of us has any control on what Beane's gonna do so...
JM57 Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 55 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: What I hope the bills dont do is settle for later then a 2nd round pick Anything less then a second and I would just keep him..... ANY asset for a 30 year old RB is found treasure.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, blacklabel said: I know Murphy has been dealing with a rib/chest injury... but before that I think he was a healthy scratch in a game or two because he's struggled with blitz pickup and pass protection, and he dropped more than a few passes, so. Murphy played in the first 3 games. He was questionable with a rib vs GB and is questionable with a rib this week, so while not listed on the injury report vs Texas I think it's likely he was not quite 100%, maybe suffered a setback in practice or something. Or maybe, healthy enough to run but not healthy enough to block the way the backs were asked to vs Tenn. He caught his one target vs Minn. I don't know what to make of any receiving stats for the Ravens or LAC games - I'd have to see how many targets were actually catchable. 6 minutes ago, JM57 said: ANY asset for a 30 year old RB is found treasure. You'd be a great drinking buddy for Beane. The goal of the NFL is to win football games, not to lose while stocking the most mediocre draft picks. I'm not sure Beane knows this.
blacklabel Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 This is a tough one. I understand that they're in a full rebuild but right now, McCoy is their only offensive weapon. He's the only player that defenses have to concern themselves with. On top of that, (I think) this is the first season he's ever earned the C on his jersey, so clearly his teammates look up to him and have a great deal of respect for him. Shady also seems to be one Allen's biggest fans. It was fun watching Shady get psyched up over the plays Allen made in the Minnesota game. You take away Shady and you're taking away more than just his production on the field. You're taking away a leader in the locker room and a guy that appears to have developed a pretty good relationship with Allen. He earned the C from his teammates so obviously the way he prepares, practices and plays has a big impact on his teammates. Especially the young guys. Shady is a great player and I'm sure there are plenty of young players looking at him to see how he does things so they can play as long as he has and find success like he has. Plus, as many others have mentioned, you trade Shady and you make Josh Allen's job much more difficult than it already is, and he doesn't need that. They need to come out of this season with Allen having developed more positive traits than negative ones. Remove Shady and Allen's gonna be running for his life even more and some of those things may become habit, which is exactly what you don't want with a young QB. I have thought for quite a while that 2018 is Shady's final season in Buffalo. Just because of the rebuild and the fact that he'll be 31 by the time the 2019 season starts, plus they'll save a little bit of money. I realize that if they trade him after the season, they probably wouldn't get as much as they may be able to get now, but I think right now, I would hang onto him. I'd even hang onto him past the trade deadline. Shady definitely appears to be a big part of the culture right now and seeing how important culture is to this coaching staff, I think they'd really throw the rest of the team for a loop if they traded a guy who exemplifies what McBeane are looking for in their players. Hang onto him, just for the sake of helping Allen and keeping whatever culture they've built from deteriorating. But if they call and say, "Alshon Jefferey and a 1st" I will happily pack Shady's bags, haha.
Mango Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: They're all OK players, but at the end of the day they're JAGs - guys with one or two decent seasons under their belt at most. Even McGee only had a couple of above average seasons. Searcy is the proverbial JAG - check out his AV: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SearDa00.htm If the Giants win, I think it's more likely that Philly DOESN'T pull the trigger than if they win. 2-4 is a hard hole to crawl out of. I am giving you a hard time here man. I actually agree with you. Not a great move/value.
blacklabel Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Murphy played in the first 3 games. He was questionable with a rib vs GB and is questionable with a rib this week, so while not listed on the injury report vs Texas I think it's likely he was not quite 100%, maybe suffered a setback in practice or something. Or maybe, healthy enough to run but not healthy enough to block the way the backs were asked to vs Tenn. He caught his one target vs Minn. I don't know what to make of any receiving stats for the Ravens or LAC games - I'd have to see how many targets were actually catchable. I think Murphy can be an asset in the screen game and can carry the ball a few times a game. But I would definitely keep him off the field in situations where he'd have to block because he gets ran over rather easily.
Mr. WEO Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, mannc said: And you might want to proofread your list of names, or is that just Kareem Hunt’s nickname?? I heard it's "Mike"... 3
Chuck Wagon Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Two different RB desperate teams nearly emptied their FAAB budgets for Smallwood / Clement this week. I'm waiting for Shady or Leveon to be an Eagle by Sunday...
zow2 Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 I think Shady gets moved. And not sure how the team will react to that? Hard to think anyone would take it as a positive move. Other than Allen who is unproven, the Bills would literally have anonymous offensive personnel. Its almost unheard of for an NFL team. 1
BADOLBILZ Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: I would keep him. I’m just not sure that they will. Shady won’t be on this team when the Bills are contenders. They may decide on cap space and an asset (or assets). I am for keeping Shady too. The unnecessary extension they gave him was part of a series of sloppy new owner honeymoon mistakes(like not putting standard conduct clauses in Dareus' contract)............but how do you root for them to trade him now? They have no other playmakers on offense and they have tons of self-inflicted cap room in 2019 and there will be nobody to wisely spend it all on. I don't care that he's diminished(be it ability or durability) the young QB needs all the talent he can get around him. That's worth A LOT, IMO. 1 1
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 11, 2018 Posted October 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, zow2 said: I think Shady gets moved. And not sure how the team will react to that? Hard to think anyone would take it as a positive move. Other than Allen who is unproven, the Bills would literally have anonymous offensive personnel. Its almost unheard of for an NFL team. How the team and mccoy handled the press conferences yesterday seemed as if a trade was looming. It also sounded like we are gonna deliver this trade news at 4pm on a friday
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