folz Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 Put me down as a "Don't trade Shady" poster. I think it would hurt the growth of this team more than a future 3rd-5th pick will help. He was just named a team captain. He has been in Josh's corner and they've already built a good relationship. He can still ball. He and Ivory look to be developing into a great tandem. And he has become a Buffalo guy. I wouldn't even consider it for a single draft pick (unless it was a first). I could understand the team doing it if they actually got a 2nd and 3rd. We all know that Beane loves to play the draft, and an extra 2nd and 3rd are some really good chips to have. But anything less than that and I don't think you can even think about it. A 4th or 5th? I'd laugh right in their faces. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 46 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Deal him for Jordan Mathews and Corey Graham Anyone look at Matthews receiving numbers so far this year? 20.3 YPC, are you kidding me?
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) The Eagles worse 2nd rd pick (Ravens) will likely be a late 2nd. Bills 3rd will likely be an early 3rd. You're suggesting the Bills trade McCoy to just move up 10-15 spots in the middle of the draft??? Edited October 10, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat 2 1
Just Joshin' Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: The Eagles worse 2nd rd pick (Ravens) will likely be a late 2nd. Bills 3rd will likely be an early 3rd. You're suggesting the Bills trade McCoy to just move up 10-15 spots??? Agree - bad idea. 2
ghostwriter Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, folz said: Put me down as a "Don't trade Shady" poster. I think it would hurt the growth of this team more than a future 3rd-5th pick will help. He was just named a team captain. He has been in Josh's corner and they've already built a good relationship. He can still ball. He and Ivory look to be developing into a great tandem. And he has become a Buffalo guy. I wouldn't even consider it for a single draft pick (unless it was a first). I could understand the team doing it if they actually got a 2nd and 3rd. We all know that Beane loves to play the draft, and an extra 2nd and 3rd are some really good chips to have. But anything less than that and I don't think you can even think about it. A 4th or 5th? I'd laugh right in their faces. I'd draft a RB extremely high and restructure Shady's contract so he is the highest paid 3rd down back in the NFL. Could you imagine that? He lost a step but he has enough left that I think he can be a dominant 3rd down guy, he'd thrive in that role. Alas, his career is reborn again as a Darren Sproles/Kevin Faulk back. It would add a lonnnnnnng time to his career and he wouldn't have to take a huge paycut.
Malazan Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 This couldn't have gone in the thread about McCoy being traded?
BADOLBILZ Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: I would argue that without Shady we don't win last Sunday, and would further argue that running that four minute offense, and going down the field for the win, using all of the time, was invaluable experience for Allen. I don't think there is any doubt. This is one of those situations where the juice ain't worth the squeeze if it's not at least a first or second round pick............and the Eagles would be roundly criticized if they traded that kind of capital for McCoy. It's a matchup league and trading or acquiring players can have a domino effect on the rest of the roster. You could argue that Zay Jones being forced into WR1 role because of the ill-advised Sammy Watkins trade might have put more pressure on Zay than he could handle and ultimately may require he get a change of scenery to ever get his game together............flushing a high second round pick.......and leading to the failed Kelvin Benchthatman trade for a 3rd. As suspect as the talent is around Allen I'd be concerned about the cost to Allen's development. 2
Jerome007 Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, DuckyBoys said: 2nd or bust I'd rather have Shady here catching swing passes from Josh through the end of 2019 than a lousy 4th or 5th round pick Damn right. And even 2nd rounders... how many have been superstars? Shady is one, and who can be sure he really is finished because he's 30? Depends on what's his cap space if he stays next year, compared to if he isn't. I'd hate to see him go. He and Allen have obviously bonded for a while. At least for him to get back to Philly for a SB run is awesome but as a fan I'd rather he be part of the team. Is Ivory signed for more than this year? If so both of them can extend their careers by sharing the carries.
disco Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 I'm actually wondering why/who leaks this. My theory: Eagles leaked this so McCoy knows they're trying to bring him back and he puts pressure on the Bills to make the deal. For all we know he's already expressed his discontent with the limited usage and McDermott has just downplayed it. I think McCoy likes it here and is working well with Allen, but chance to return home with a playoff run would still win out. Prediction is Bills make the trade for a 3rd and 6th, bring back Gillislee.
Yav Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 I’ve been telling my buddy all preseason and season. I don’t think McCoy is the type of runner they want. Ivory is what they are looking for. Im not saying it’s a good idea, but if they aren’t going to use McCoy then he’s not worth the money. If he’s on the field then he’s worth the money. I have ave a feeling they will get a 2nd and a 6th for him.
ghostwriter Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 52 minutes ago, Estro said: What I'm asking for if I'm the Bills (and I'm asking for more than what I think I'll get because you always anchor high in negotiations): Bills get: The better 2nd round pick and the better 6th round pick Eagles get: Bills 3rd round pick What I'd settle for: Bills get Eagles worse 2nd rounder and the Eagles get the Bills 3rd round pick. Our 3rd will be an early 3rd, their better 2nd will probably be a later 2nd. I don't think that's a good deal for us. I'd give them Shady for a 2nd and I think Shady himself could understand that. Once again, we're talking about a RB that would be a 1st down machine if used as our 3rd down back. Draft a RB high to take the beating on 1st and 2nd down, Shady comes in on 3rd down and clutch situations. He would make more money here than he would anywhere else. I think Sproles got 6.5 million/yr, I'd give Shady slightly more than that. Would probably keep him playing at a high level for another 2-3 years easy.
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Ga boy said: IF they offer a 2nd, sign on the dotted line in a skinny minute. He could get hurt in the next game. He's probably only good for 8 more games max this year. It gets worst next year. We won't get anything then. The Eagles want him bad. Shady would love to go home. Call'em now. Josh needs to find friends his own age. Plus who knows how Shady’s shady off-field drama plays out—still lurking in the background, and wouldn’t it be such a Bills outcome to have Goodell jump down from his ivory tower sometime still this year and suspend him 4 games or something like that, right after the Bills turn down an offer for him that includes immediate WR help. Can totally imagine this happening, reflexively as a long suffering fan.
Dadonkadonk Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Estro said: https://www.phillyvoice.com/philadelphia-eagles-2019-draft-picks/ Round How acquired 1 Eagles' own pick 2 Eagles' own pick 2 Acquired from Ravens during 2018 NFL Draft 3 Eagles' own pick 4 Eagles' own pick 5 (projected) Compensatory pick 5 Eagles' own pick 6 Eagles' own pick 6 (projected) Compensatory pick 6 (projected) Compensatory pick 7 Either the Eagles' own pick, or the pick acquired from Broncos for Allen Barbre, depending on which one they traded during the 2018 NFL Draft (for Mailata), which has yet to be determined. 7 (projected) Compensatory pick What I'm asking for if I'm the Bills (and I'm asking for more than what I think I'll get because you always anchor high in negotiations): Bills get: The better 2nd round pick and the better 6th round pick Eagles get: Bills 3rd round pick What I'd settle for: Bills get Eagles worse 2nd rounder and the Eagles get the Bills 3rd round pick. If the Eagles make the playoffs and Bills don’t the You would trade Shady for moving up 20 spots in the draft??? It could even be less than that if Eagles make the SuperBowl and Bills are bottom 5. That would amount to moving up less than 10 spots, maybe even less. Shady for a 2nd round pick straight up. It is way overpaying but the Eagles may be in desperation mode. Take advantage of them or don’t make the deal. 1
Estro Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: The Eagles worse 2nd rd pick (Ravens) will likely be a late 2nd. Bills 3rd will likely be an early 3rd. You're suggesting the Bills trade McCoy to just move up 10-15 spots in the middle of the draft??? Yes. Let's say the Eagles lower draft pick in round 2 is #58. That's worth 320 on the draft value trade chart. Let's say the Bills select #72 in round 3. That's worth 230 points. The difference of 90 points is the equivalent to a high 4th round pick.....which in my opinion is about as good as you could hope for in trading an expensive, older RB who has next to no chance of being on your roster next year.....and isn't performing at a high level what soever this year. 1
ghostwriter Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Estro said: Yes. Let's say the Eagles lower draft pick in round 2 is #58. That's worth 320 on the draft value trade chart. Let's say the Bills select #72 in round 3. That's worth 230 points. The difference of 90 points is the equivalent to a high 4th round pick.....which in my opinion is about as good as you could hope for in trading an expensive, older RB who has next to no chance of being on your roster next year.....and isn't performing at a high level what soever this year. Why dump him then? Can't we have anything nice?
Estro Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, disco said: I'm actually wondering why/who leaks this. My theory: Eagles leaked this so McCoy knows they're trying to bring him back and he puts pressure on the Bills to make the deal. For all we know he's already expressed his discontent with the limited usage and McDermott has just downplayed it. I think McCoy likes it here and is working well with Allen, but chance to return home with a playoff run would still win out. Prediction is Bills make the trade for a 3rd and 6th, bring back Gillislee. On a similar line of thinking my theory is the Eagles are trying to soften the Steelers ask on Bell. If the Steelers are adamant on a 2nd rounder and the Eagles don't want to pay that price, it'd be smart to leak that you're interested in Shady and perhaps get the Steelers to come down a bit in their asking price. It's all about leverage. In the end I see Bell being traded to the Eagles for 2 mid round picks and the Steelers kicking back a 7th in addition to Bell.
Boca BIlls Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Estro said: Yes. Let's say the Eagles lower draft pick in round 2 is #58. That's worth 320 on the draft value trade chart. Let's say the Bills select #72 in round 3. That's worth 230 points. The difference of 90 points is the equivalent to a high 4th round pick.....which in my opinion is about as good as you could hope for in trading an expensive, older RB who has next to no chance of being on your roster next year.....and isn't performing at a high level what soever this year. STOP!!!!
GrizzReaper Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) Trade away our only good player on offense... Sounds Billsy. Edited October 10, 2018 by GrizzReaper
Agent 91 Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 12 hours ago, Logic said: I'm pretty torn about this. On the one hand, the Bills have already pretty much stripped the offense to the nubs. Getting one more good draft pick in exchange for a player who likely won't be around when the Bills are ready for prime time potentially makes sense. On the other hand, McCoy is a locker room leader, a team captain, and has a great relationship with Allen. Taking away the ONE good offensive player the Bills have -- and thus making life even HARDER on their rookie QB -- might be a foolhardy move. The question, of course, is what would the compensation be? Anything less than a 2nd rounder (which I doubt the Eagles would be willing to part with) probably isn't worth it. Why? Because, again, you don't want to make Allen's difficult development even MORE difficult by stripping him of another good offensive player and a mentor/leader in the locker room. Done it once by taking sammy away from Tyrod . I don't think his relationship with Allen means much to them.
DefenseWins Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 I'm in no hurry to move McCoy for anything less than a 2nd either. The unknown factor in all this is what McCoy actually wants also. If he wants to be here I'd say keep him. Also I keep reading that McD wanted the KC 1st round pick because he didn't trust Whaley's judgement and essentially wanted to wait till Beane got here to decide on a QB of the future but why is everyone assuming that Whaley would have drafted Mahomes otherwise? Don't get me wrong. I wanted Mahomes. A lot of people on this site wanted Mahomes. But we will never really know whether Whaley wanted Mahomes. 7 minutes ago, Agent 91 said: Done it once by taking sammy away from Tyrod . I don't think his relationship with Allen means much to them. Sammy wasn't dependable. He was injured some of the time and was heading towards a big payday that was hard to justify given the Bills salary cap situation at the time as well. Now the Bills have a huge salary cap surplus in 2019 and beyond. Totally different situation. 1
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