Augie Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, YodaMan79 said: QB vs RB. It's really that simple. It’s a combination of.....everything. Supply/demand, position, age, need, timing in SB mode, cap ramifications, etc. Many, many factors, and a very serious long shot. But you never know..... 1
BigBuff423 Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: Whatever you are on I will have two. Do you honestly think Philly is going to give up a swap of a 3rd and 5th along with one of their best receivers on a rookie contract and throw in Warmack for Shady a 30 year old RB not having the best season and on a significant contract? Get real here, this is a player for picks trade, maybe the Bills can get Warmack as a throw in but the Bills aren't prying away Agholor. Philly is trying to improve their chances to win now, giving up O-line depth and a good young WR (While also giving up draft assets) for a older running back just makes no sense. I’m not sure why this fact escapes so many in this thread: this is not about projections, it’s about what YOU would take in exchange for Shady. I presented an alternative to demanding a 2nd & 3rd Round picks. As for Warmack, he’s promising and young but he’s been inactive all year on game day. As for Agholor, that’s why it’s an ask and it’s why it’s a 3rd not a 2nd. He too hasn’t yet lived up to his promise in Philly and they have other weapons with Jeffrey coming back. So it’s merely an alternative to getting the aforementioned picks as in something I, personally, could accept. That’s it. No prognostication, it’s about where I think the middle ground lies in what the Bills are asking and what I, as a fan, could suppprt in return for Shady. No need for dramatics. Edited October 10, 2018 by BigBuff423
Virgil Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 I like Shady, but if you can get at least a 3rd rounder, take it. He's not going to be part of the new offense when it comes together in two years. Let the man have some success.
Augie Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: What about the ones that aren’t local? Do we escape your condescension? That would make me feel so special!
NewEra Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I would argue that without Shady we don't win last Sunday, and would further argue that running that four minute offense, and going down the field for the win, using all of the time, was invaluable experience for Allen. I’d agree that we wouldn’t win that game without him. No doubt. Also great experience for Allen. I’ll still take a 2nd or probably even a 3rd for him.
YodaMan79 Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: What about the ones that aren’t local? Do we escape your condescension? No, the odds are better you've not subjected to the second rate local media covering the team. I love the Bills, but I find it painful how out of touch the fan base is, like a 2nd and a 3rd is possible. Pitchforks and torches should have been out on One Bills Drive 10 years ago. The ownership (mostly previous obviously) group has taken full advantage of this fan base. The Bills are the Browns "light", and in some part, we've let the oligarchs get away with feeding us a crappy product. 1 1
Kelly the Dog Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: I’d agree that we wouldn’t win that game without him. No doubt. Also great experience for Allen. I’ll still take a 2nd or probably even a 3rd for him. I would take a second for sure. Maybe a third but with Philly it's going to likely be a late third so maybe not that.
BringBackOrton Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 47 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: John Clayton was on the air here. The best the Bills can hope for is a conditional 5th according to the experts and other former GMs. He doesn't have the value most of you think. Being the tallest little person at the circus doesn't increase his real-world value. Just keep him at this point to help develop Allen. Howie Roseman isn't a sucker. He's normally the one doing the fleecing. Yeah, who can forget the fleecing of McCoy for a JAG linebacker coming off an ACL tear, amiright? 1
Kelly the Dog Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: Yeah, who can forget the fleecing of McCoy for a JAG linebacker coming off an ACL tear, amiright? Was that Chip Kelly?
iinii Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 7 hours ago, Logic said: I'm pretty torn about this. On the one hand, the Bills have already pretty much stripped the offense to the nubs. Getting one more good draft pick in exchange for a player who likely won't be around when the Bills are ready for prime time potentially makes sense. On the other hand, McCoy is a locker room leader, a team captain, and has a great relationship with Allen. Taking away the ONE good offensive player the Bills have -- and thus making life even HARDER on their rookie QB -- might be a foolhardy move. The question, of course, is what would the compensation be? Anything less than a 2nd rounder (which I doubt the Eagles would be willing to part with) probably isn't worth it. Why? Because, again, you don't want to make Allen's difficult development even MORE difficult by stripping him of another good offensive player and a mentor/leader in the locker room. Pretty much sums it up. Fish or cut bait. This makes Shady a dead man walking. He is a Philly man and would probably welcome the trip home.
BringBackOrton Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Was that Chip Kelly? Howie was there then as well.
Augie Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: No, the odds are better you've not subjected to the second rate local media covering the team. I love the Bills, but I find it painful how out of touch the fan base is, like a 2nd and a 3rd is possible. Pitchforks and torches should have been out on One Bills Drive 10 years ago. The ownership (mostly previous obviously) group has taken full advantage of this fan base. The Bills are the Browns "light", and in some part, we've let the oligarchs get away with feeding us a crappy product. So.....if you hate it so much..... what would you accept? A 2 and a 3 is absurd, I agree. Before I ever got to pitch fork crazy, I’d just go find something that makes me happy more than sad and angry. I guess we’re all different. To be fair and fully transparent, a gas station near my house has a nice location, and charges 40-50 cents more per gallon than a couple (nicer) places just a mile away in different directions. It actually makes me angry to see people buying gas there all day long, as I know it’s a ripoff. All I can do is vote with my feet, and buy the smart gas. No pitchforks here, I just go elsewhere. It works for me.
iinii Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: No need for dramatics. Where is the fun in that? 1
Kelly the Dog Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Howie was there then as well. He took a backseat though. Kelly made the player transactions along with his buddy he brought in.
Georgia Bill Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) I'd vote no to the trade. We have to hold onto some semblance of loyalty/team chemistry, and faith in management, in order to be able to pull this thing out of the fire in as short a time as possible. McCoy takes some pressure off the budding Allen. Take him away and the whole thing could crumble. Draft picks, whether 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round, are all hypothetical future "wins" for the team, but often they don't pan out well and are thus just gambles. We'll be ok with the draft picks we have, no need to further decimate or gamble with what would happen to the current team. Edited October 10, 2018 by Georgia Bill
BringBackOrton Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: He took a backseat though. Kelly made the player transactions along with his buddy he brought in. There is no indication he had zero input in the decision. He may not have made the final call, but he was on the team.
BillsFan4 Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Howie was there then as well. Yeah, he was still officially an eagles employee, but he wasn’t involved in running the team. There’s actually an I testing story about how the owner told him to take that time to improve his managerial skills, so Roseman traveled around the country visiting with successful managers in all different sports. Edit -here’s the link - https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/09/eagles-gm-howie-roseman-learned-about-striking-deals-in-his-gap-year/ (the link to the full sports illustrated story is in the article) heres another on his “exile” - https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/eagles/2018/01/30/out-exile-howie-roseman-builds-eagles-into-super-bowl-contender/1080851001/ Quote BLOOMINGTON, Minn. – No matter how the change of Howie Roseman’s job duties in 2015 was framed, with a new fancy vice president title and a reassignment of duties, there was no question he was the loser in a power struggle with former head coach Chip Kelly. And yet now Roseman looks back at his year in Eagles exile, where he focused on business operations and had no role in building the roster, as a “great experience” that ultimately helped him when he regained personnel power after Kelly was fired at the end of that season. It was a chance to reflect on his career after a rapid rise through the Eagles’ personnel ranks, and a chance to see a different side of how an NFL franchise runs. Edited October 10, 2018 by BillsFan4
YodaMan79 Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 All you have to do is listen to Jason Kelce's speech to figure out what happened to Howie during Chips run.
Kelly the Dog Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: There is no indication he had zero input in the decision. He may not have made the final call, but he was on the team. Yes there was a lot of indication. One of the main reasons that Kelly was fired was he insisted on Tom Gamble his buddy being put in charge of player personnel and Howie Roseman had taken player duties taken away and put in charge of salary cap and business stuff. But Lurie liked Roseman. So after a few Kelly deals didn't work out so well he ended up firing both of them and reinstating Roseman as the GM. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000913064/article/jeffrey-luriehowie-roseman-partnership-powering-eagles-run
starrymessenger Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 Maybe the Eagles problems have less to do with them not having Shady and more to do with their O line badly underperforming.
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