NewEra Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: We B word n moan how Allen has no supporting cast but it's ok to let our best player go for "draft picks"? Whatever happens I'm fine with McCoy going to a contender in his late stages. Because we already don’t have a supporting cast.
ctk232 Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, JPP said: Even with Mccoy do you really see this team going 9-7? There is no way this team is going to get a WC spot with the way the afc looks this season so far.........get a good deal out of him if you can.... Actually though. And in reality, Shady will likely not be around when this team is ready to compete week in and week out. We aren't going to the playoffs this year, unless some drastic turnaround happens on offense, but even with Shady they won't make a playoff berth at this rate. He provides a nice counter to Ivory's North/South style which can really create a dynamic run game. But it'll be nothing once teams stack the box and dare us to throw, which we can't do with any semblance of consistency at this point. The more logical move is to offload him in a way where we can maximize return value and limit the cap hit. Trading him later won't necessarily increase his value, and risk us just releasing him for nothing. I love the guy and would like to see him stay, but if you're thinking of preparing a Bills team to compete in the next year or two, now would be the time to offload him for the greatest potential return. Edited October 9, 2018 by ctk232 3
NewEra Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: If you were Philly...would you GIVE a second? I wouldn't trade a second for McCoy at this stage of his career. But the fact that the rumor broke over 3 hours ago and there are no updates leads me to believe talks arent extending beyond an initial phone call. If you still think you have a great shot to win the super bowl you do. They’re already 20 mill over the cap for next season. Gotta try and get it done this year 1 2
Kelly the Dog Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, mannc said: OK, I did. Here are the RBs drafted in Rd 3 in the 2016, 17 and 18 drafts: Alvin Kamara, Kareem Hunt, D'Onta Foreman, James Connor, Kenyan Drake, CJ Prosise, and Royce Freeman. So, out of seven guys we've got two superstars, three really good backs who have superstar potential, one guy who started as a rookie then got hurt, and one guy who hasn't lived up to expectations so far. Not too shabby... I was referring to what you said, which was "3rd round or later" Last few years there has been good ones. I would really put on the brakes for guys like James Connor who played five games.
FeelingOnYouboty Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 I don't want to trade him. He's a locker room leader and our best offensive player and arguably our best player on the roster but at the same time a 2nd and a 3rd is a really good haul for an old RB.
Prickly Pete Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 Trading him sends the message "this season means nothing, now go out there and play hurt, play to win, give it your all". Bad move.
BillsFan4 Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) I know Shady is getting up there in age, and the Bills are nowhere near contending. It would still be heart-breaking to trade him, though. He still basically looks like the same old Shady to me. He still has his burst, can still cut on a dime. It doesn’t appear that he’s slowing down yet, to me. He is probably still our best player on offense. But I know that the Bills will probably never have a better opportunity to trade him than right now. And the price will likely be higher to the eagles than any other team just due to sentimentality and “righting a wrong “ by Chip Kelly. IMO, I think that if the Eagles are willing to meet the Bills ask, the right thing to do would be to go to Shady and say “hey, do you want to go back to the Eagles?”. If he says yes, then you make the trade. I’d prefer to just keep him, though. Edited October 9, 2018 by BillsFan4 2
ghostwriter Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, dubs said: No offense, but I can’t stand when people do this. If you want to say it’s likely a later pick in the 2nd round, thats fine. But it won’t be like a 3rd. It will in fact be a second round pick if the pick is in the second round. Even if it’s the 32nd pick in the second. It’s still a second. I will word it in whatever way I please, I said 'like', not that it IS.
Reed83HOF Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: If you were Philly...would you GIVE a second? I wouldn't trade a second for McCoy at this stage of his career. But the fact that the rumor broke over 3 hours ago and there are no updates leads me to believe talks arent extending beyond an initial phone call. In a heart beat if I thought I had a chance to repeat....would you give a 2nd rounder for a SB?
ghostwriter Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloBaumer said: If they can get a 3rd, do that today. It would be a 3rd in title only, there would be mostly 4th round prospects available there, not worth it.
Warcodered Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I know Shady is getting up there in age, and the Bills are nowhere near contending. It would still be heart-breaking to trade him, though. He still basically looks like the same old Shady to me. He still has his burst, can still cut on a dime. It doesn’t appear that he’s slowing down yet, to me. He is probably still our best player on offense. But I know that the Bills will probably never have a better opportunity to trade him than right now. And the price will likely be higher to the eagles than any other team just due to sentimentality and “righting a wrong “ by Chip Kelly. IMO, I think that if the Eagles are willing to meet the Bills ask, the right thing to do would be to go to Shady and say “hey, do you want to go back to the Eagles?”. If he says yes, then you make the trade. I’d prefer to just keep him, though. I have to say I agree with this. Emotionally don't want to trade him but despite what everyone on the team/coaching staff says this team does not look like it's designed to win this year and that makes it awfully hard to just skip on an opportunity like this. 1
mjt328 Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 Since arriving in Buffalo, Sean McDermott has done a great job of keeping the locker room motivated and playing hard. Even in the midst of a rebuild, multiple trades, starting a rookie QB - he's somehow managed to convince the players they are going to win every Sunday. As someone who believes highly in the mental aspect of sports, that's something I don't want to see change. It's one thing to trade away a malcontent like Marcel Dareus, an underachiever like Sammy Watkins or someone struggling to adapt like Ronald Darby. It's quite another to trade a team leader, who is clearly the only weapon on offense. At some point, the players aren't going to hear what McDermott is saying. They are going to see him sacrificing this season for future picks, and the effort is going to drop. 1
ctk232 Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: If you were Philly...would you GIVE a second? I wouldn't trade a second for McCoy at this stage of his career. But the fact that the rumor broke over 3 hours ago and there are no updates leads me to believe talks arent extending beyond an initial phone call. They have two second rounders and a bloated cap next season, which would put them in a more win now mindset, despite having the same record as the Bills oddly enough. Though to your second statement above, I'd have to agree that talks aren't extending at this point given the lack of updates. It seems like a trade now move for the Giants game. Unless Philly is just shopping around right now to see what they'd get before picking up another RB. To be honest, trading for Shady or Bell at this point, and with their cap situation next year, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense on their end. To be honest, if the Eagles give up a second and third for Shady and end up missing the playoffs anyway, it will be the Bills fleecing the Eagles in a trade 2.0. Edited October 9, 2018 by ctk232
Augie Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I know Shady is getting up there in age, and the Bills are nowhere near contending. It would still be heart-breaking to trade him, though. He still basically looks like the same old Shady to me. He still has his burst, can still cut on a dime. It doesn’t appear that he’s slowing down yet, to me. He is probably still our best player on offense. But I know that the Bills will probably never have a better opportunity to trade him than right now. And the price will likely be higher to the eagles than any other team just due to sentimentality and “righting a wrong “ by Chip Kelly. IMO, I think that if the Eagles are willing to meet the Bills ask, the right thing to do would be to go to Shady and say “hey, do you want to go back to the Eagles?”. If he says yes, then you make the trade. I’d prefer to just keep him, though. No offense, but you are FAR more sentimental about this than I am. I’m not claiming to be “right”, but for the right price I’ll let almost anybody but a franchise QB go. It’s nice if the player feels good about it, but it is a business. I am leaning toward trading him for the right price (maybe a 2nd and a late pick?) that might turn into a starting OLineman who could be here for a decade, helping to win games long after Shady is retired. The reason we might get a premium for an expensive, aging running back is not due to any wrongs he suffered, but because the Eagles are over a barrel and are looking at a SB window that just might be closing. It’s just leverage, not a feel good story. My biggest concern would be how you sell that to our locker room. We’re not scoring a ton of points WITH him. Don’t get me wrong, I love him and agree he’s our best player, at least on offense. Belichick would certainly be listening. Move on a little too early, not too late. IMO . Edited October 9, 2018 by Augie 1
Success Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 Eagles might squander a chance at the playoffs if they don’t make a move. I’d give a high pick if I was them. Hate to lose Shady, but this could work out well.
dave mcbride Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, ctk232 said: They have two second rounders and a bloated cap next season, which would put them in a more win now mindset, despite having the same record as the Bills oddly enough. Though to your second statement above, I'd have to agree that talks aren't extending at this point given the lack of updates. It seems like a trade now move for the Giants game. Unless Philly is just shopping around right now to see what they'd get before picking up another RB. To be honest, trading for Shady or Bell at this point, and with their cap situation next year, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense on their end. To be honest, if the Eagles give up a second and third for Shady and end up missing the playoffs anyway, it will be the Bills fleecing the Eagles in a trade 2.0. I think the Eagles will win that division in the end.
Kirby Jackson Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 If (and it is a big if) the Bills were to make this move (say a 2nd and 3rd for Shady and a 5th) they should turn around and deal one of those picks. Send the 3rd to Denver for Demaryius Thomas. Then send Benjamin out and hopefully get that 5th back for him. 1
ctk232 Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: I think the Eagles will win that division in the end. Barring any unforeseen injury I'd agree - their division is wide open. But the chances of them beating the Saints or really any other NFC playoff team is unlikely.
dave mcbride Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, ctk232 said: Barring any unforeseen injury I'd agree - their division is wide open. But the chances of them beating the Saints or really any other NFC playoff team is unlikely. You never know. Injuries happen all the time. Rogers got hurt last year. So did Wentz, for that matter. It's no guarantee that Goff and Brees stay healthy.
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