Jay_Fixit Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 I’m not saying anything until Benjamin is traded or cut.
RyanC883 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 You can do both. Big Ben was not asked to do a ton his first few years, and in his 3rd year had a NEGATIVE TD-INT ratio. The key for young QB's is to lean on the running game, find competent WR's (we can't do that right now), and let the game speed and decision making catch-up to the QB. Even Rosen didn't do/wasn't asked to do much yesterday because Arizona remembered they have D. Johnson. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm
oldmanfan Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: The offense was awful yesterday and the scheme was neanderthal. They won (largely because of the scheme, ironically enough!), so I'm happy, but let's not sugarcoat reality. They cannot roll out that gameplan against teams with good offenses and QBs better than Mariota. To be fair, I also think they know that. As for the original question, wins are hugely important for progress, so I disagree with the premise. I'm of the mind that losses are nothing more and nothing less than losses. I'm not a "moral victory" kind of guy. Was the offense awful or was the Titans D good? And if you can run the ball well, you run the ball. And let your young QB continue to grow and develop.
KD in CA Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, DuckyBoys said: this is why I said yesterdays game was unsatisfying and got crushed for it #1 priority to me for this year is developing Allen Not going to happen if they try and hide him with this type of game plan week in week out. Than you should have titled your thread "unsatisfying offensive game plan" rather than "unsatisfying win". You put the focus on the wrong thing before anyone read the first word of your post.
Real McClappy Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 How is this and either or scenario? The guy just had his 1st NFL 4TH QTR comeback win and learned nothing in the OP's mind? I don't get it.
dave mcbride Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Was the offense awful or was the Titans D good? And if you can run the ball well, you run the ball. And let your young QB continue to grow and develop. They needed the entire 60 minutes to put up 13 points. Scoring 13 points loses you 9 games out of 10 in today's NFL. TN's D is good, but still. Scoring involves effectively passing the ball. The Bills are currently pathetic at it.
Manther Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: The Priority should be Development of Josh Allen. If that isnt your No1 priority then You really need to re-evaluate. McD and Company have captial breaking the drought. That capital needs to be used to make sure this entire season is about developing Allen. Then again that should have been it from Jump and well we see how that went with some bogus competition Totally agree. And, for the love of everything Holy, please have Daboll stop designing runs with Josh Allen.
Manther Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said: These two things are not mutually exclusive. Agree with that as well.
MDH Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Both. We won ugly and he learned he doesn't need to look downfield every play. One doesn't mean the other isnt happening. Yep, they aren’t mutually exclusive. That being said, an offensive system that runs the ball 2/3 of the time is going a bit far in one direction. A run heavy team, in the modern NFL, has a roughly 50/50 split. That’s the number I’d like them to shoot for, but every game has its own rhythm. I don’t think we can read too much from a single game. 1
ColoradoBills Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 24 minutes ago, MDH said: Yep, they aren’t mutually exclusive. That being said, an offensive system that runs the ball 2/3 of the time is going a bit far in one direction. A run heavy team, in the modern NFL, has a roughly 50/50 split. That’s the number I’d like them to shoot for, but every game has its own rhythm. I don’t think we can read too much from a single game. Well said MDH. I think the only reason they ran so much yesterday is they got an early lead and the D was playing outstanding. Bills play the Texans who play the run great. Ranked 8th best against run with only 1 TD by rushing. They are much worse (middle of the pack) against the pass and have given up 12 TDs passing. I'm not buying into the narrative that the OL has improved. They will be tested very hard against the Texans. Wouldn't surprise me if Daboll calls more 1st down throws. If JA is successful with that, Bills got a chance to win.
ctk232 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rebel101 said: But they have to give him this type of game plan. He doesn’t have a full command of the offense and cannot run the field properly. So they have to bring him along slowly and teach him things little by little. They tried to give him a heavier workload last week against the Packers and he couldn’t handle it. Someone can’t learn everything at once it needs to be taught step by step. That’s like giving a 2nd grader calculus before they even know how to multiply it would never work. He needs to learn piece by piece step by step and hopefully things open up and become clearly for him. It is unrealistic to think Allen they way he was coming out of college would come in and be able to grasp an entire NFL offense and immediately learn how to read the field and pick apart a defense. They have it give him more and more each week and hope he figures it out. They tried to overload him against the Packers it didn’t work out. While I agree they should, and likely have, alleviated the load for him to carry at present, I think the game plan of run first we saw yesterday was more a direct result of the Titans blaring lack of run defense compared to their solidly strong zone coverage secondary. We game planned appropriately as it turns out and showed up on defense. I think this style will help Allen more, but what happens when we come up against a strong run defense? Back onto the throw often and learn quick train. Allen honestly needs both - he needs to feel like the offense is still in his hands and that he needs to do more than manage it, but he also needs to not be overloaded, like you mention with GB. To OP's question - develop the kid, we are all tired of winning single digit games and having that be the goal... Edited October 8, 2018 by ctk232
Rebel101 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, ctk232 said: While I agree they should, and likely have, alleviated the load for him to carry at present, I think the game plan of run first we saw yesterday was more a direct result of the Titans blaring lack of run defense compared to their solidly strong zone coverage secondary. We game planned appropriately as it turns out and showed up on defense. I think this style will help Allen more, but what happens when we come up against a strong run defense? Back onto the throw often and learn quick train. Allen honestly needs both - he needs to feel like the offense is still in his hands and that he needs to do more than manage it, but he also needs to not be overloaded, like you mention with GB. To OP's question - develop the kid, we are all tired of winning single digit games and having that be the goal... Agreed he will have to do more but he isn’t ready. Daboll is going to have to devise a gameplay that is quick reads and he is going to have to create a plan where Allen not necessarily has to read the entire field but maybe inside the safeties so instead of cutting the field in half by moving the pocket he would cut it in half horizontally if that makes sense to you but this would require our slot RBs and TEs to be more involved in the game and throwing way more but hopefully they can create a gamrplwb game here this is his reads and eventually Allen will begin to piece things together. I mean at the end of the day it all comes down to Allen and how well he can process information and translate that into football. He can say all the right things and have the best teachers(not saying he does or doesn’t) but if he doesn’t get he just doesn’t get it then they are !@#$ed and out of a job in a few years
Berky1010 Posted October 8, 2018 Author Posted October 8, 2018 5 hours ago, dlonce said: Why does it have to be mutually exclusive? The whole idea is to win. You can’t win and develop at the same time? That’s just not true. You are missing the spirit of the question. It's more of a would you rather. Personally, I see no way in which this teams makes the playoffs this year so the #1 thing I am looking for in each game now is for Allen to develop. Because if that happens, we have a clear cut plan when we enter into an off-season with tons of capital to work with. If he doesn't develop and isn't our sure fire QB next year, well that just means there is going to be a hell of a lot of questions again. So while you can pretend that we can be happy by winning on last second field goals to average teams, ultimately what this team needs is a franchise QB.
SoCal Deek Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 You try and win games with Allen at quarterback...period! The Bills did the same thing with Joe Ferguson in 1973. This is a thread about nothing. 1
ctk232 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rebel101 said: Agreed he will have to do more but he isn’t ready. Daboll is going to have to devise a gameplay that is quick reads and he is going to have to create a plan where Allen not necessarily has to read the entire field but maybe inside the safeties so instead of cutting the field in half by moving the pocket he would cut it in half horizontally if that makes sense to you but this would require our slot RBs and TEs to be more involved in the game and throwing way more but hopefully they can create a gamrplwb game here this is his reads and eventually Allen will begin to piece things together. I mean at the end of the day it all comes down to Allen and how well he can process information and translate that into football. He can say all the right things and have the best teachers(not saying he does or doesn’t) but if he doesn’t get he just doesn’t get it then they are !@#$ed and out of a job in a few years I like the one step at a time approach, but if Allen is as raw as we all suspect and was projected to be, we have to be mindful of what he is developing a sense for, and what he feels is the norm in the NFL based on his experience. We also want him to experience and develop skills for an offense that we want to see down the line, which I believe would be pass heavy and variable routes. If we limit him this season to short/mid throws in a run heavy offense, how ready will he even be by next year? He still needs those games where he needs to win with his arm - whether or not we do shouldn't be in the question as long as he is developing the right skills to succeed in future years. Not that I'm in support of tanking, but priority has to be given to proper development this year regardless of the W-L record if we ever hope to have double digit wins again. Edited October 8, 2018 by ctk232 1
dgrochester55 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) Yesterday is the best way to develop Allen for the time being. Why does anyone think that this is an either/or? We all knew that he was going to be a multi-year project. Poor planning by the team in the offseason and preseason caused us to rush putting him in behind a terrible line and possibly the worst WR corp that I have ever seen on any NFL team. It makes no sense to have Allen air it out like Brady or Rodgers would with this offensive unit. That would be certain failure for Allen or any of the other three rookie QB's playing. Yes, the stats are ugly. Yes ,Buffalo should have planned better before the season, but they didn't and the situation is as it presents itself until next year. I am just glad that they look like they are signing Derek Anderson to give Allen a veteran mentor and guarantee us not seeing Peterman if Allen is hurt or benched. Edited October 8, 2018 by dgrochester55
boater Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 The priority is winning. Or better said, trying to win. Or said yet another way, not deliberately tanking. So win ugly. You have to try and win each and every game. Not trying to win allows a cancer to spread in the locker room---not very McDermott-ish. Allen will develop while the team tries to win.
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