GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: This isn't about any other QB. You were making the case the Bills horrid offensive numbers should be laid at the feet of Peterman. I posted something to show that was not the case. It's just a historically bad offense for several reasons including bad QB play. The tweet you posted? The one I responded to? Right there at the top, in all caps, it says 'LAST'. Meaning it's kind of assumed it's about other QBs...you know, for comparison's sake. You know...the point you were trying to make. ...you do understand how weird it is to post statistics that very literally are comparing QBs against each other, and then tell someone who responds with the exact type of comparison that it 'isn't about any other QB?, right?
26CornerBlitz Posted October 25, 2018 Author Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: The tweet you posted? The one I responded to? Right there at the top, in all caps, it says 'LAST'. Meaning it's kind of assumed it's about other QBs...you know, for comparison's sake. You know...the point you were trying to make. ...you do understand how weird it is to post statistics that very literally are comparing QBs against each other, and then tell someone who responds with the exact type of comparison that it 'isn't about any other QB?, right? That wasn't the point. You wanted to blame the putrid offensive numbers on Peterman and I posted that to show it wasn't on him. You then shifted the subject to other QBs. Good one.
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: That wasn't the point. You wanted to blame the putrid offensive numbers on Peterman and I posted that to show it wasn't on him. You then shifted the subject to other QBs. Good one. We were talking about the offense. We agree it's bad. I said Peterman contributed to that. You posted some passing stats that Allen ranks last in. I posted a few that he doesn't. You said this isn't about any other QB. I said you just compared him to other QBs. You said I shifted the subject to other QBs. I wrote this post.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 25, 2018 Author Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: We were talking about the offense. We agree it's bad. I said Peterman contributed to that. You posted some passing stats that Allen ranks last in. I posted a few that he doesn't. You said this isn't about any other QB. I said you just compared him to other QBs. You said I shifted the subject to other QBs. I wrote this post. This is what I posted along with the tweet "If it helps you sleep at night, then blame it on Peterman and tell yourself that the Bills aren't the worst." Which kept it on the subject that you tried to blame on Peterman. Again, you shifted topics by bringing up other QBs who didn't have jack to do with your reasoning for why the Bills' numbers are so bad.
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: This is what I posted along with the tweet "If it helps you sleep at night, then blame it on Peterman and tell yourself that the Bills aren't the worst." Which kept it on the subject that you tried to blame on Peterman. Again, you shifted topics by bringing up other QBs who didn't have jack to do with your reasoning for why the Bills' numbers are so bad. Do you deny that Peterman has negatively affected the Bills' offensive statistics?
26CornerBlitz Posted October 25, 2018 Author Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, GoBills808 said: Do you deny that Peterman has negatively affected the Bills' offensive statistics? Do you even need to ask that question?
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Do you even need to ask that question? I think it bears repeating- out of Buffalo's 201 passing attempts this season, Peterman accounts for 30 of them. That's not an insignificant sample...it's large enough for me to justify saying he shares responsibility for the passing offense's poor statistics.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 25, 2018 Author Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I think it bears repeating- out of Buffalo's 201 passing attempts this season, Peterman accounts for 30 of them. That's not an insignificant sample...it's large enough for me to justify saying he shares responsibility for the passing offense's poor statistics. No kidding?!? Back to the original point of the BIlls' offense being off to the worst start through seven games in modern history. From the ESPN+ article by FBO: Football Outsiders' DVOA (defense-adjusted value over average) ratings break down every play individually, looking for success based on down and distance, and adjusting based on situation and opponent. We've broken down play-by-play going back to the 1986 season, giving us 33 years of NFL history to analyze. After their 37-5 loss to Indianapolis, the Bills now come out as 53.2 percent less efficient than the average team this year. That's the worst offense we've ever tracked through seven games. One of the important aspects of DVOA is that every year is normalized so the average team is zero. That helps put Buffalo's offensive impotence into the context of all the rule changes and strategic advances that have given 2018 the most offense-friendly environment in NFL history. Right now, the entire league is averaging 363 yards per game, which would easily surpass the previous record of 350. Buffalo is averaging just 234 yards per game, over one-third less than the league average. No team has had an average that low since the 2005 San Francisco 49ers ... but in a season in which the league average was just 316 yards per game. Edited October 25, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No kidding?!? Back to the original point of the BIlls' offense being off to the worst start through seven games in modern history. From the ESPN+ article by FBO: Football Outsiders' DVOA (defense-adjusted value over average) ratings break down every play individually, looking for success based on down and distance, and adjusting based on situation and opponent. We've broken down play-by-play going back to the 1986 season, giving us 33 years of NFL history to analyze. After their 37-5 loss to Indianapolis, the Bills now come out as 53.2 percent less efficient than the average team this year. That's the worst offense we've ever tracked through seven games. One of the important aspects of DVOA is that every year is normalized so the average team is zero. That helps put Buffalo's offensive impotence into the context of all the rule changes and strategic advances that have given 2018 the most offense-friendly environment in NFL history. Right now, the entire league is averaging 363 yards per game, which would easily surpass the previous record of 350. Buffalo is averaging just 234 yards per game, over one-third less than the league average. No team has had an average that low since the 2005 San Francisco 49ers ... but in a season in which the league average was just 316 yards per game. Again, and I hate to sound like a broken record here, but the Cardinals are averaging fewer yards per game than the Bills currently (220-234).
26CornerBlitz Posted October 25, 2018 Author Posted October 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Again, and I hate to sound like a broken record here, but the Cardinals are averaging fewer yards per game than the Bills currently (220-234). You clearly don't get the rankings based on DVOA.
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You clearly don't get the rankings based on DVOA. I don't like DVOA because I can't see how it's calculated. I'm commenting on the last paragraph primarily: trying to explain how historically bad the Bills offense is by using yards per game is strange in a year where they aren't even the worst team in AYPG.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 25, 2018 Author Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I don't like DVOA because I can't see how it's calculated. I'm commenting on the last paragraph primarily: trying to explain how historically bad the Bills offense is by using yards per game is strange in a year where they aren't even the worst team in AYPG. The Bills average 7 plays per game more than the Cardinals for a whopping 14 more yards per game. Which means they average 2 yards per play in those 7 additional plays. The Bills are by far the worst as I originally stated no matter how much you try to dispute it. Edited October 25, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The Bills average 7 plays per game more than the Cardinals for a whopping 14 more yards per game. Which means they average 2 yards per play in those 7 additional plays. The Bills are by far the worst as I originally stated no matter how much you try to dispute it. If your point is to prove the bolded there are much better statistics than YPG to use.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 25, 2018 Author Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: If your point is to prove the bolded there are much better statistics than YPG to use. Yeah. Like the DVOA that is being used here. Now there are better ways than YPG after you used that and I how showed how faulty that is. Edited October 25, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Yeah. Like the DVOA that is being used here. Now there are better ways than YPG after you used that and I how showed how faulty that is. No. Like yards per play, which is what you actually meant. The Cardinals are still worse than the Bills in YPG. Until someone can show me the formula of how DVOA is calculated, it's not really meaningful to me.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 25, 2018 Author Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, GoBills808 said: No. Like yards per play, which is what you actually meant. The Cardinals are still worse than the Bills in YPG. Until someone can show me the formula of how DVOA is calculated, it's not really meaningful to me. You used YPG to say the Cardinals are the worst. "Again, and I hate to sound like a broken record here, but the Cardinals are averaging fewer yards per game than the Bills currently (220-234)." I pointed out that it's a faulty way to determine who's worse. You're flopping around worse than a fish like your avatar is holding.
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: You used YPG to say the Cardinals are the worst. "Again, and I hate to sound like a broken record here, but the Cardinals are averaging fewer yards per game than the Bills currently (220-234)." I pointed out that it's a faulty way to determine who's worse. You're flopping around worse than a fish like your avatar is holding. Nope. I said FBO (and you, by proxy) should have used a better stat than YPG in the ESPN+ comment you posted to make the case that the Bills are the worst offense of all time, when they aren't even the worst offense by YPG this season. If they had used yards per play I would have less issue with it.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 25, 2018 Author Posted October 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Nope. I said FBO (and you, by proxy) should have used a better stat than YPG in the ESPN+ comment you posted to make the case that the Bills are the worst offense of all time, when they aren't even the worst offense by YPG this season. If they had used yards per play I would have less issue with it. No. You said exactly what I posted in bold type.
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2018 Posted October 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No. You said exactly what I posted in bold type. Yes, and by YPG the Cardinals are the worst offense in the league.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 25, 2018 Author Posted October 25, 2018 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Yes, and by YPG the Cardinals are the worst offense in the league. Very llawed as I already pointed out. Run with it.
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