batmanfreek Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 As others have said, it’s because the NFL doesn’t want to have to pay years down the road for lawsuits because a player got hit 15 years ago and now can’t remember where he left his car keys. Also the NFL wants more “exciting” plays and high scores. So if they can enable QBs to be almost untouchable they will put up more points. Bottom line. Money.
Doc Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 I would like to know/hear what Jerry was thinking on that play. Just now, batmanfreek said: As others have said, it’s because the NFL doesn’t want to have to pay years down the road for lawsuits because a player got hit 15 years ago and now can’t remember where he left his car keys. Also the NFL wants more “exciting” plays and high scores. So if they can enable QBs to be almost untouchable they will put up more points. Bottom line. Money. That explains protecting QB's. It doesn't explain Jerry's actions on the play in question.
batmanfreek Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 37 minutes ago, Doc said: I would like to know/hear what Jerry was thinking on that play. That explains protecting QB's. It doesn't explain Jerry's actions on the play in question. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/07/jerry-hughes-was-worried-about-roughing-marcus-mariota-so-he-let-him-go/ “I made an inside move and I’m underneath the quarterback at that point in time. When I go to wrap you up I’m naturally low so I’m naturally underneath you,” “If I pick him up and finish him, it’s a 15-yard penalty and they might score [a touchdown] on that drive. It’s a tough situation to be in, and I’m very thankful that our secondary played lights out all day and got us off the field.” “I spoke to the white hat and he just told me just to wrap up and drive him backwards and they’ll blow the whistle and mark his forward progress,” Hughes said. “Now I know for the future. I found myself in a very vulnerable position and what do you do? Do you finish the tackle or just hold onto him? Now I know.” 1
Xwnyer Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 12 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: I used to fricken hate the "in the grasp" rule. But if they are going to call so many roughing the passers they need to start to call that again so players like Hughes arent scared of finishing plays. It weakens the game. Agree one hundred percent. Defenders don’t know what to do know and on Mariota scramble one of our defenders dove toward his hips and missed again because of fear of a hit up high. If Hughes finishes the play he is flagged for sure.
CSBill Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 I still put this on Hughes, he had him wrapped up and let him go before he heard the whistle--all he had to do was hold on to him, keep pushing him backward, it did not look that complicated to me.
Royale with Cheese Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Next time Hughes, just hug him and maybe a pat on the head. No wait...you can't touch the head. Just hug him and say everything will be okay. Hopefully you won't get the flag.
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 14 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: I used to fricken hate the "in the grasp" rule. But if they are going to call so many roughing the passers they need to start to call that again so players like Hughes arent scared of finishing plays. It weakens the game. True but we also happen to have maybe the toughest QB in the league (Big Ben up there as well) to get out of being in the grasp of a defender. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 14 hours ago, klos63 said: You are correct, it was a bad play by Hughes. Hold him til the whistle blows. My first reaction was that Hughes though Mariotta had passed or fumbled. Disagree. He's not just "holding him" as Mariotta is scrambling to keep the play alive, a competitor himself. To boot, they are not the only two guys on the field, and there is organized chaos all around them. On top of that, Hughes can only be 50% sure that there is a 75% chance that continuation of the play would or would not result in a penalty and/or fine (the odds move to 100%/100% certainty of penalty & fine if Brady is in the grasp), not to mention the rule has morphed from where it started to where it is now, allowing a bit more judgement on the part of the official. Absent the official blowing the whistle, Hughes should have finished the play and tackled Mariotta. Imo that was squarely on the official given the logical end to that scenario was the QB suplexed or at a minimum, full weight of Hughes on the ab with QBs arms above Hughes shoulder and injury a realistic outcome. Everyone watching the game feels the Qb rule impacts the outcome of games. We were lucky to have dodged that particular bullet.
Soda Popinski Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Terrible. Just turrible. Even Charles Barkley disapproves. Hughes did the right thing I'm 1000% sure the ref was ready to flag him if he took Mariota to the ground.
The Frankish Reich Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 15 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: I used to fricken hate the "in the grasp" rule. But if they are going to call so many roughing the passers they need to start to call that again so players like Hughes arent scared of finishing plays. It weakens the game. I do prefer the "in the grasp and control." You just get a quick whistle, a sack, and you move on. Yes, it hurts a QB like Allen who has the size and athleticism to escape, and it takes a lot of excitement out of those improvised post-escape plays. But it provided more clarity as to what the rule is compared to the current situation.
Rebel101 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 He should have held him in place until a whistle was blown 11 hours ago, ChuckMan08 said: You have a point there. I mean he’d never admit to it but it could be true. He had him in a bear hug. All he had to do was continue holding him in a bear hug until the ref blew the whistle. He literally just let him go. Agreed it looked like he heard a whistle or something because he looked back
Spiderweb Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, DBilz2500 said: The liberal NFL-don't hurt anybody, keep everything safe, and hand out participation trophies. It's slowly ruining the game. What's next-they stop keeping score so nobody's feeling get hurt and everybody "wins?" Cut the garbage politicizing comments. Keep it to football or head over to the forum for this. 18 hours ago, Real McCoy said: Remember when Hughes was good for a 15 yard PF once a game under Rex? Good to him for putting the team first but it is a damn shame what the league is turning into. I would agree that the codling given to QBs these days is hurting the game long time fans have loved. Contrary to some, it's all about protecting the product and future CTE lawsuits. Protecting the NFL is the driver although it appears the league will soon go too far if they haven't already. Edited October 8, 2018 by Spiderweb Spelling
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 18 hours ago, DBilz2500 said: The liberal NFL-don't hurt anybody, keep everything safe, and hand out participation trophies. It's slowly ruining the game. What's next-they stop keeping score so nobody's feeling get hurt and everybody "wins?" ...wonder if teams will have HOME and AWAY flags??..............
John from Riverside Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 18 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Much credit to Hughes...who has been so penalty prone in the past to show restraint for the good of the team
LabattBlue Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) I call BS on that explanation. Hughes has always had his share of bonehead plays throughout his career. Add this one to the list. If this was true, all he had to do was bear hug him until he heard a whistle. Edited October 8, 2018 by LabattBlue 1
ctk232 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) 20 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Looked to me like Hughes thought Mariotta got the pass off. Still, he was being extra cautious with the contact. Needs to wrap up there regardless. I thought this, too. I'm sure the roughing the passer context came into it a bit, but you see Hughes' head turn around and let him go as though he'd thrown the pass. I'm sure at that point he felt it better to let him go than to get the post-throw RTP flag. But still think he needed to wrap up there and just hold him if nothing else - can't throw a flag for that. That being said, I think we still all agree that no individual player should be subject to differential treatment over another. It's borderline preferential in some cases, when it comes to being tackled. Every player should have every rule affect them equally, and there's no reason a QB cannot be landed on while every other offensive player can be as well. Edited October 8, 2018 by ctk232
nucci Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, ctk232 said: I thought this, too. I'm sure the roughing the passer context came into it a bit, but you see Hughes' head turn around and let him go as though he'd thrown the pass. I'm sure at that point he felt it better to let him go than to get the post-throw RTP flag. But still think he needed to wrap up there and just hold him if nothing else - can't throw a flag for that. That being said, I think we still all agree that no individual player should be subject to differential treatment over another. It's borderline preferential in some cases, when it comes to being tackled. Every player should have every rule affect them equally, and there's no reason a QB cannot be landed on while every other offensive player can be as well. Because to the NFL owners a 3rd string TE is not as important as Aaron Rodgers
ctk232 Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, nucci said: Because to the NFL owners a 3rd string TE is not as important as Aaron Rodgers It's a sad truth, and understand why the rule is there - regardless of logic and actual game product.
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