YoloinOhio Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) Pass Block Win Rate and Pass Rush Win Rate solve the flaws of Pressures and TIP stats because they properly analyze pass blocking from the perspective of systems engineering. Yes, systems engineering. Pass protection is best understood as a parallel process, meaning if any one link in the chain breaks, the entire chain fails. That is, if any one blocker allows pressure, then the quarterback is indeed pressured no matter how well the other blockers do. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24892208/creating-better-nfl-pass-blocking-pass-rushing-stats-analytics-explainer-faq-how-work And here are the top offensive tackles in Pass Block Win Rate. The league average for tackles is 79 percent: Top OT Blockers RANK PLAYER TEAM TOTAL RUSHES RUSH WIN RATE 1 Rob Havenstein LAR 110 96% 2 Andrew Whitworth LAR 112 93% 3 Taylor Lewan TEN 75 90% 4 David Bakhtiari GB 156 89% 5 Tyron Smith DAL 123 88% 6 Trent Williams WAS 99 88% 7 Dion Dawkins BUF 142 87% 8 Ryan Ramczyk NO 146 87% 9 Duane Brown SEA 129 87% 10 Josh Wells JAX 122 87% Why are they better than stats? Metrics like QB pressures and time in pocket might be useful, but they can be misleading. A QB pressure can occur for several reasons other than unreliable pass protection, such as good coverage, poor route-running or missed reads by the quarterback. Our win rate metric isolates line play from those other factors. Also, time in pocket metrics don't know the difference between a quick read and release by the quarterback and ineffective pass protection. If a passer throws at 1.8 seconds after the snap, does that mean he only had 1.8 seconds to throw, or did he execute his read quickly? Our metrics know the difference. Edited October 5, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I use my eyeballs. Just as effective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: I use my eyeballs. Just as effective. new stats to tell me the best players are on the teams that win the most and/or have the most yards on offense? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Wonder where the rest of that crack OL falls in ranking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: new stats to tell me the best players are on the teams that win the most and/or have the most yards on offense? Dion Dawkins BUF 142 87% Edited October 5, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: I use my eyeballs. Just as effective. Unless you're grading players individually then you're not seeing everything. Me personally I don't have the time to grade every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 51 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 1 Rob Havenstein LAR 110 96% 2 Andrew Whitworth LAR 112 93% Must be nice when the top 1 and 2 OT blockers are on your team. I really like what the Rams are doing this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I assume it's like their crappy QBR and they refuse to provide the details to the measure or index or whatever they want to call it. That means they can't say its better than any other measure if no one can actually test that statement. ESPN blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Must be nice when the top 1 and 2 OT blockers are on your team. I really like what the Rams are doing this year. Yeah I noticed that - doesn’t suck for Goff 8 minutes ago, zonabb said: I assume it's like their crappy QBR and they refuse to provide the details to the measure or index or whatever they want to call it. That means they can't say its better than any other measure if no one can actually test that statement. ESPN blows. I guess you can assume that, or read the details All the details on PBWR and PRWR http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24892208/creating-better-nfl-pass-blocking-pass-rushing-stats-analytics-explainer-faq-how-work Edited October 5, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Dion Dawkins BUF 142 87% and the exception that falls through? good stuff, thanks!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 minute ago, row_33 said: and the exception that falls through? good stuff, thanks!! He’s one the core building blocks on the team and holding his own with very little help next to him. Hey I’ll take it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s one the core building blocks on the team and holding his own with very little help next to him. Hey I’ll take it. i will try to take notice of this on Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: i will try to take notice of this on Sunday Jurrell Casey awaits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 36 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: I use my eyeballs. Just as effective. Thats the problem. Your eyeballs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I wish they had posted the team O-Line stats that they mention in the article. I'd be curious to see where the Bills fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Jurrell Casey awaits Not for Dawkins...he is a DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: Not for Dawkins...he is a DT Oh good, Vlad and Miller will get pushed around on Sunday, and will most likely need help from Bodine assuming he is the center. If I was the Titans I'd blitz all day long, our line won't pick it up and Allen probably won't recognize it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, nedboy7 said: Thats the problem. Your eyeballs. Probably the problem with vlad, Miller and mills as well Edited October 6, 2018 by Comebackkid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Makes me wonder.....every lineman on every play on every team gets evaluated. How many people have this one stat as their job. They could just make the sh*t up.....who's gonna challenge it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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