billsfan89 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: It looks like the other trend in not just defensive players....but also players that are not of high salaries. They really wanna clear that cap space for next year. I do wonder what they are planning. Sadly it is looking like the free agency crop is very limited along the WR corps. The O-line crop isn't strong either but there are players to be had. There are however a lot of pass rushers on the market and I could see the Bills filling a big defensive need with a player like Clowney. Granted they could hand Clowney 20 million a year (Which would in my opinion set up the defense to be a top 5 unit only thing they could possibly need is a slot corner) and still have plenty of space to add other free agents on the offensive side (90 million in cap space can go a long way and they can clear 10-20 million more.) I would love to see the Bills target Clowney if he hits the market (If not Brandon Graham from the Eagles would be a nice addition), find a decent slot corner if that still is a need, while on offense I would love to see the Bills go after Rodger Saffold and Ali Marpet. Both players would immediately solidify the interior O-line. As far as skill position players Tevin Coleman would be a nice add at a right price and Golden Tate and or John Brown would be good targets. I think the draft is where they go WR heavy in rounds 1-3. I hope the Bills plan to spend big in 2019, they need at least 3-4 big impact free agents on offense and they should be able to do that and afford a pass rusher to round out the defense.
John from Riverside Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: Sadly it is looking like the free agency crop is very limited along the WR corps. The O-line crop isn't strong either but there are players to be had. There are however a lot of pass rushers on the market and I could see the Bills filling a big defensive need with a player like Clowney. Granted they could hand Clowney 20 million a year (Which would in my opinion set up the defense to be a top 5 unit only thing they could possibly need is a slot corner) and still have plenty of space to add other free agents on the offensive side (90 million in cap space can go a long way and they can clear 10-20 million more.) I would love to see the Bills target Clowney if he hits the market (If not Brandon Graham from the Eagles would be a nice addition), find a decent slot corner if that still is a need, while on offense I would love to see the Bills go after Rodger Saffold and Ali Marpet. Both players would immediately solidify the interior O-line. As far as skill position players Tevin Coleman would be a nice add at a right price and Golden Tate and or John Brown would be good targets. I think the draft is where they go WR heavy in rounds 1-3. I hope the Bills plan to spend big in 2019, they need at least 3-4 big impact free agents on offense and they should be able to do that and afford a pass rusher to round out the defense. This is a good point....if they go free agency for a proven pass rusher that makes me giddy to. Just gotta hit on the offensive side draft picks. I would like to see guys like Clowney and Tate as our major aquisitions
YoloinOhio Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: This is a good point....if they go free agency for a proven pass rusher that makes me giddy to. Just gotta hit on the offensive side draft picks. I would like to see guys like Clowney and Tate as our major aquisitions I also think they should try to get Clowney.
billsfan89 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: This is a good point....if they go free agency for a proven pass rusher that makes me giddy to. Just gotta hit on the offensive side draft picks. I would like to see guys like Clowney and Tate as our major aquisitions Another issue is if the Bills have a top 2 pick and there aren't any teams looking to trade up for a QB then do they go with Oliver or Bosa at the top of the draft? IF that's the case I still want Brandon Graham in the range of 15-17.5 million per because Oliver would give you that interior push or Bosa would make your edge rush 3 deep. But then that makes filling out you WR core that much harder, yes you have an early second round pick to add a young player and you could double dip back into the early third or trade up into the second again for another WR but you still probably need to grab at least 2 proven vet WR's or a vet WR and a tight end (depending on if you keep Clay.) I think the Bills with their cap space are in a great position to add a dynamic pass rusher and fill out their offensive line and add a vet WR and another skill position player. Either way I think 2019 is make or break for the Bills in free agency. They need to find a pass rusher and at least 2 starters along the O-line along with drastically improving the skill position core before entering into the draft. You have Allen on a rookie deal it is now or never in 2019. 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I also think they should try to get Clowney. I don't think Clowney will hit the market, sadly I think that if he continues to be dominant the Texans will franchise him. The Texans have the cap to make it work. But I do think that if he was out on the market he should be the Bills number one defensive free agent target. I think with the Eagles salary cap situation Brandon Graham will likely hit the market and he would make for a fine consolation prize as he is a very legit edge rushers and probably would command a little less.
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 48 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: It looks like the other trend in not just defensive players....but also players that are not of high salaries. They really wanna clear that cap space for next year. I do wonder what they are planning. Maybe they are planning to turn Phillips loose on offense?
Boca BIlls Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 Both the Pat's and Steelers put in claims so this must be a good get. 1
The Wiz Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 7 hours ago, iinii said: Key word is he freaked out and by the account given was dropping F-bombs to the point the player and coach had to be separated. Doesn’t sound like a McDermott kind of guy. A lot of people want to be on the field. I'm get the feeling that this was a ticking time bomb type of situation. Yes he blew up and do did the coach and they both needed to be separated but I feel like something had been going on for a while for him to just snap like that. JMO.
YoloinOhio Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I'm get the feeling that this was a ticking time bomb type of situation. Yes he blew up and do did the coach and they both needed to be separated but I feel like something had been going on for a while for him to just snap like that. JMO. That’s what it sounds like. Both sides deny that the sideline shouting match led to him being cut. He wanted to get cut, and they were ready to move on. Edited October 4, 2018 by YoloinOhio
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That’s what it sounds like. Both sides deny that the sideline shouting match led to him being cut. He wanted to get cut, and they were ready to move on. ...but I thought the Thomas kid got pretty decent marks?...............yet gone already?....
3rdand12 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 2 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Sadly it is looking like the free agency crop is very limited along the WR corps. The O-line crop isn't strong either but there are players to be had. There are however a lot of pass rushers on the market and I could see the Bills filling a big defensive need with a player like Clowney. Granted they could hand Clowney 20 million a year (Which would in my opinion set up the defense to be a top 5 unit only thing they could possibly need is a slot corner) and still have plenty of space to add other free agents on the offensive side (90 million in cap space can go a long way and they can clear 10-20 million more.) I would love to see the Bills target Clowney if he hits the market (If not Brandon Graham from the Eagles would be a nice addition), find a decent slot corner if that still is a need, while on offense I would love to see the Bills go after Rodger Saffold and Ali Marpet. Both players would immediately solidify the interior O-line. As far as skill position players Tevin Coleman would be a nice add at a right price and Golden Tate and or John Brown would be good targets. I think the draft is where they go WR heavy in rounds 1-3. I hope the Bills plan to spend big in 2019, they need at least 3-4 big impact free agents on offense and they should be able to do that and afford a pass rusher to round out the defense. If they can fix the O line, you may not need star receivers. The run game gets going and develop some balance so defenses don't T' off. They might only need the proper variance of skills at wrs. and the draft is where i hope they go. along with RB. I really cannot see where Bills can spend big money to change the team. Clowney is a nice example for sure, but i feel they just build through the draft again and fill in via FA unless they can wheel a deal for someone with cash leverage. But O line for me. fix that first. and really fix it this time, including an O line Coach. i digressed badly here. Fine with bringing in Jordan. I bet he likes it here. The D line is developing and will continue to improve. imo
billsfan89 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: If they can fix the O line, you may not need star receivers. The run game gets going and develop some balance so defenses don't T' off. They might only need the proper variance of skills at wrs. and the draft is where i hope they go. along with RB. I really cannot see where Bills can spend big money to change the team. Clowney is a nice example for sure, but i feel they just build through the draft again and fill in via FA unless they can wheel a deal for someone with cash leverage. But O line for me. fix that first. and really fix it this time, including an O line Coach. i digressed badly here. Fine with bringing in Jordan. I bet he likes it here. The D line is developing and will continue to improve. imo Clowney is a pipe dream (I don't think he will hit free agency), honestly I don't expect this team to spend big on a pass rusher as I think if they are drafting top 2 they likely will spend that pick on a pass rusher. But I do expect that they will sign some significant offensive players. I think they can't ignore the WR position or the interior O-line. I especially think that the interior O-line will be a big priority since there will be a good market for guards and centers and it is one of the biggest needs on the team. There aren't any players that will need big contracts in 2019 (White, Dawkins, and Milano all will have 2 years remaining on their rookie deals no one else is really coming up on an extension) so there will not be a need to save money in the short term to save money in the long term. So there aren't many big contracts they need to preserve cap space for. Even then in 2020 more contracts and dead money can come off the books to preserve the need for future cap flexibility. I don't expect a huge spree but I do think there will be 3-4 pretty significant signings on offense maybe one on defense. There are simply too many holes around a young QB for the Bills to not spend something significant around the offense. 1
YoloinOhio Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Clowney is a pipe dream (I don't think he will hit free agency), honestly I don't expect this team to spend big on a pass rusher as I think if they are drafting top 2 they likely will spend that pick on a pass rusher. But I do expect that they will sign some significant offensive players. I think they can't ignore the WR position or the interior O-line. I especially think that the interior O-line will be a big priority since there will be a good market for guards and centers and it is one of the biggest needs on the team. There aren't any players that will need big contracts in 2019 (White, Dawkins, and Milano all will have 2 years remaining on their rookie deals no one else is really coming up on an extension) so there will not be a need to save money in the short term to save money in the long term. So there aren't many big contracts they need to preserve cap space for. Even then in 2020 more contracts and dead money can come off the books to preserve the need for future cap flexibility. I don't expect a huge spree but I do think there will be 3-4 pretty significant signings on offense maybe one on defense. There are simply too many holes around a young QB for the Bills to not spend something significant around the offense. You think Texans pay Clowney and Watt?
iinii Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 2 hours ago, The Wiz said: I'm get the feeling that this was a ticking time bomb type of situation. Yes he blew up and do did the coach and they both needed to be separated but I feel like something had been going on for a while for him to just snap like that. JMO. Undoubtedly. But will he be happy in a similar role as a Bill? He may have wanted out of Miami but did all of his dreams just come true? And will he ever be more than a middling rotational D lineman? He is probably angry he wasn’t getting pt especially with his rookie deal running out. He is definitely situational. His frame, length and stats say he is best against the pass.
MJS Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: Both the Pat's and Steelers put in claims so this must be a good get. And the Saints.
YoloinOhio Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, iinii said: Undoubtedly. But will he be happy in a similar role as a Bill? He may have wanted out of Miami but did all of his dreams just come true? And will he ever be more than a middling rotational D lineman? He is probably angry he wasn’t getting pt especially with his rookie deal running out. He is definitely situational. His frame, length and stats say he is best against the pass. Well that’s a good thing for the Bills. We don’t need him to start but if there is any injury to Star, we will. If I’m not mistaken he’s playing for his next contract since he’s an FA this year, correct? I think he will be motivated and for whatever reason felt Miami wasn’t a good situation for him. 1
HappyDays Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: You think Texans pay Clowney and Watt? I actually don't think the Bills need to go for Clowney. Murphy and Hughes can hold it down next year. Unless they get a good pick for Hughes I don't see DE as a big need. If we end up #1 overall I'd take Bosa but otherwise I'm trading down for picks and spending as many resources as possible on offense. Might even trade down from #1 if we get a good haul.
The Wiz Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, iinii said: Undoubtedly. But will he be happy in a similar role as a Bill? He may have wanted out of Miami but did all of his dreams just come true? And will he ever be more than a middling rotational D lineman? He is probably angry he wasn’t getting pt especially with his rookie deal running out. He is definitely situational. His frame, length and stats say he is best against the pass. I guess it depends on what they want his role to be. Agree that his size is better on passing down. I think having him in there to give Star time off on those downs will benefit them both. If he shows a knack for getting behind the line then he might get more playing time. Star plugs holes, If he can make holes for the LB's then he will see his pt increase.
YoloinOhio Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I actually don't think the Bills need to go for Clowney. Murphy and Hughes can hold it down next year. Unless they get a good pick for Hughes I don't see DE as a big need. If we end up #1 overall I'd take Bosa but otherwise I'm trading down for picks and spending as many resources as possible on offense. Might even trade down from #1 if we get a good haul. Chase Young (2020 draft) is Clowney Jr fwiw 1
swnybillsfan Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I actually don't think the Bills need to go for Clowney. Murphy and Hughes can hold it down next year. Unless they get a good pick for Hughes I don't see DE as a big need. If we end up #1 overall I'd take Bosa but otherwise I'm trading down for picks and spending as many resources as possible on offense. Might even trade down from #1 if we get a good haul. this is what i am screaming from the mountain top! coach McD should be able to scheme up this side of the ball, and develop the current investments that have been made here. this team needs players to help score points, and lots of them. next year they had better be spending considerable resources on offence, or else 2019 could end up being coach's fairwell tour.
billsfan89 Posted October 5, 2018 Posted October 5, 2018 48 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: You think Texans pay Clowney and Watt? I think they will sign Clowney and restructure Watt's contract. The Texans are still a few years away from paying their QB (IF Watson can ever retain his rookie year form) so they can afford to pay a pair of dominant pass rushers.
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