MJS Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 48 minutes ago, iinii said: Williams didn’t build a defense that win a Suber Bowl? As a head coach? We're not talking about coordinator's here. He is obviously a good coordinator, but you don't want that guy running your team.
teef Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The OL is so strange. If you go over to the All-22 thread, there are links to 3 Coach Sal tweets about the Bills 2nd series. 1st down: 21 personnel. Good protection, though Matthews doesn't test Lee, instead dropping back. 2nd down: 11 personnel. Mills and Miller beaten like drums. It's difficult to describe how totally inadequate Mills is against Matthews. 3rd down: 10 with Shady kept in to block. Good protection, this is a semi-throw-away (no one really open, but ball could be placed better so Benj had a shot) It's like the OL takes every other play off or something. Really strange. I have watched run plays until I feel nauseous. About 1/3 of the time, it's so bad I can't figure out what the blocking was supposed to look like if it had worked. it is confusing, and i'm assuming that why mcdermott made the comment. he must know that even with limited talent, there's an opportunity for improvement. as @ColoradoBills stated, it's not entirely fair to put it on coaching, but i'm not sure what else to attribute it to.
billsfan_34 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Elite Poster said: So when we get blown out in 30% of games we play in with McDermott, this BS doesn't hold true. The Patriots have Tom !@#$ing Brady, that's the correct answer to your question. Belichick was a .500 coach (just like Rex) before Brady. They had a gang banging murderer on that team. Take that culture point and shove it where the sun don't shine. Hardwork and talent wins every single time, even if your an !@#$. This dumbass philosophy is how you end up with Kevin Benjamin and not AB or OBJ. See Incognito as a prime example- boy do we miss him
John from Riverside Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 37 minutes ago, wppete said: I liked McDermott but this year and the way he is handling himself in the media is embarrassing. Coach speak all the time. He is trying to be clever and sounds like a fool. Trying to be Belichick too bad he is a loser with a loser record. Whats the purpose of having media Q&A if he answers all the questions like a fool??? Does he think that the fans dont deserve a straight up answer? This guy has a HUGE Ego. He doesnt owe you a damn thing 1
87168 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: He doesnt owe you a damn thing he actually does, very much. keep this performance up and those very fans will ignite the fire for his termination. 1
wppete Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: He doesnt owe you a damn thing No S*#T genius! He doest owe anyone anything. Just be straight up, thats all the fans want. We have heard enough of the Coach speak.
John from Riverside Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 1 minute ago, 87168 said: he actually does, very much. keep this performance up and those very fans will ignite the fire for his termination. Pegula could care less...you know the ones he actually reports to? You have way less importance to this you you think you do....Pegula saw his team make the playoffs last year....you really think he gives a damn what you think this year? He doesnt Just now, wppete said: No S*#T genius! He doest owe anyone anything. Just be straight up, thats all the fans want. We have heard enough of the Coach speak. So you agree that he owes you nothing....but then you say what you are owed?
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: It's pretty evident we can't win with the lack of talent on this roster. I'm going t wait and see what he and Beane do this offseason. If they get linemen and wrs, improve the defense and get rid of Peterman in favor of an actual QB at backup them I'm still trusting the process. But the process better start protecting the QB better and catching the ball. Clock is definitely ticking. I feel like I'm solidly behind the regime and have been so from day 1, and won't jump ship over issues that I can see are not totally on them (e.g. career ending injuries, retirements, bad cap room situation from before, etc.) in between some of the good things that have changed from previous administrations (emphasis on accountability, culture, increased draft capital and future financial room for FA's), but I also don't have blinders on, and they can't count on like-minded fans not to turn on them eventually if things don't noticeably trend up over time--this still isn't Cleveland, after all.
ColoradoBills Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The OL is so strange. If you go over to the All-22 thread, there are links to 3 Coach Sal tweets about the Bills 2nd series. 1st down: 21 personnel. Good protection, though Matthews doesn't test Lee, instead dropping back. 2nd down: 11 personnel. Mills and Miller beaten like drums. It's difficult to describe how totally inadequate Mills is against Matthews. 3rd down: 10 with Shady kept in to block. Good protection, this is a semi-throw-away (no one really open, but ball could be placed better so Benj had a shot) It's like the OL takes every other play off or something. Really strange. I have watched run plays until I feel nauseous. About 1/3 of the time, it's so bad I can't figure out what the blocking was supposed to look like if it had worked. 13 minutes ago, teef said: it is confusing, and i'm assuming that why mcdermott made the comment. he must know that even with limited talent, there's an opportunity for improvement. as @ColoradoBills stated, it's not entirely fair to put it on coaching, but i'm not sure what else to attribute it to. Not getting any inside info (leaks) we all don't know what the coaching is looking like. Let's take the run game. Daboll is the OC but Castillo is the Run Game Coordinator and Offensive Line Coach. Is this Castillo's blocking scheme during running plays? Does both Daboll and Castillo agree on the scheme? Does one coach agree and one disagree? What input does Kelly Skipper have as RB Coach? It's tough to answer this without the knowing the details. Hap has broke down a lot of 22's with good evaluations. My above questions apply. Then you got the same questions about the pass blocking.
wppete Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Pegula could care less...you know the ones he actually reports to? You have way less importance to this you you think you do....Pegula saw his team make the playoffs last year....you really think he gives a damn what you think this year? He doesnt So you agree that he owes you nothing....but then you say what you are owed?
Paulus Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 46 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Or they just lost their Legion of doom defense and were not able to play all their good players....... What is the Patrirot way? Please define it. "DO YOUR JOB" Pretty simple.
John from Riverside Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, wppete said: this response....while pretty cool....is exactly what you are putting in your posts regarding this......nothing
Warcodered Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 Seriously what did people expect him to say my OL/WR/OC are terrible and need to be replaced. He's never going to say that.
Shaw66 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 3 hours ago, teef said: it's a combo of both. i know some people that really don't buy into the culture idea, but i do. i'm not talking the bean/mcdermott culture specifically, but just in general rather. if you have a winning culture, i think a lot of the other points begin to fall in line. i wouldn't say it's more important that strategy, but it's the holy trinity of culture, talent, and strategy. Well, that's well put, and I agree to some extent. They've said it before - they will take not take a guy with talent who doesn't fit the culture. So that means, I think, that they want to fill the locker room with guys who fit the culture, and they will improve the talent as they can. I get that. However, I don't see why it should mean that you have to do that with coaching. Why can't you have coaches who fit the culture and who ALSO are good at Xs and Os. What some of us have been talking about is that the offense seems remarkably ineffective, and I think that's more about coaching than talent. I mean, this talent on offense isn't going to light up everyone, but it should at least be able to SCORE once in a while. Is McDermott telling us that Daboll isn't so good at strategy, but he's good at culture and that's all the Bills need right now? If so, I think McDermott is wrong. This is his second offensive coordinator in two years, and he shouldn't have swung and missed twice at hiring someone who actually could figure out how to move the ball. 1
CountDorkula Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Paulus said: "DO YOUR JOB" Pretty simple. I beleive McDermott says the same thing, all the time. So do the bills have the patriot way, just less patriot-y??
BigBuff423 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Trogdor said: Zay isn't good and Allen still needs time, so where do you get "a fairly good job" from? You basically disprove your own point. Um, Zay is in his second year with a Rookie QB and a poor Offensive line. Additionally, I didn't realize McD and Beane didn't Draft Tre White, or Dawkins, or Milano or Edmunds (who is growing with every game), or T. Johnson (who is also getting better with each game)..? So, yeah, it's only first and second year players, but they're all showing real signs of promise and um, it's only the first quarter of their second year...? Is that point lost on you? Additionally, Beane wasn't part of the first Draft and yet McD did a pretty solid job all things considered. He helped guide the first Draft with the aforementioned players and acquired real Draft capital for the year when they were going to take their QB AND they got him. Whether Allen becomes the Franchise QB we're all hoping for remains to be seen, but they did get their guy (as best they could with all factors considered). So, no I didn't disprove my own point, you just refuse to acknowledge the other Draft picks they did make that have been good thus far.
TheFunPolice Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) The "Patriot Way" is Brady throwing 5 yard passes to a QR who nobody is within 10 yards of when he catches the ball, and that WR then running for another 5-7 yards before being tackled. Once you stop that Brady throws screen passes to a RB who has nobody within 10 yards of him. If you stop both of those plays he tosses it up to a 7 foot tall TE for 20 yards a pop. PEDs, cheating scandals, etc. are just footnotes. This is why every season feels like a waste of time. Mahomes! Can you believe this kid! Trubisky! Watson! Baker! The "young guns" throwing for 6 TDs a game and a billion yards, making insanely dramatic, athletic plays that defy physics! And yet, we all know how it ends: a completely unathletic 41+ year old QB throwing screen passes all day to a 5 foot 10 WR who nobody can get within 10 yards of before he catches the ball. Then they run the same 3 plays over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.... and nobody can stop it. "maybe NEXT YEAR for the young guns..." LOL So have your cute little "culture" or have great strategy... It is going to take the PERFECT GAME or close to it to beat the machine known as NE. And I'm 100% convinced it is never going to end. Edited October 3, 2018 by TheFunPolice
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