cba fan Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: The Pats are known to have one of the worst cultures in the league. They win because of the talent they have. Would you all say the teams with the best culture are? GB NO Philly NE Pitt Yes and the way to have a good culture is you need a great QB. Simple but hard to attain.
dave mcbride Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 31 minutes ago, GG said: People are focusing on the wrong part of the quote. This is the nugget: Sideways nod to trading a third for Kelvin B!
SCBills Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 I know Migos is big on “Do it for the Culture”. He’s clearly angling for the Falcons job if Quinn gets canned.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 3, 2018 Author Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, dave mcbride said: Culture! 1
Trogdor Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I think folks are simply misinterpreting his intentions. IMHO, to say that culture "trumps" strategy simply means all things being equal, a culture of a team-first mentality will be far more important in the long-term view of winning. In other words, strategy IS important and it needs it's due attention and talent acquisition is of course part of the strategy, BUT if you have a divisive culture or more individually focused approach, then the strategy won't be nearly as effective. Take one of Webster's definitions of "trumps": a decisive overriding factor or final resource https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trumps?src=search-dict-hed If you take the above definition, it essentially says that when all else is decided, this final factor or "resource" will win the day or decide the outcome. IF you look at his quote in this context, then to me, he's absolutely right. And before we start arguing about what he meant, just consider the entirety of the quote that went on to insinuate that guys who don't buy in to the team first mentality, hurt the entire team as a whole and that mindset will lose games over time. Time will tell if McD is the right guy, but after making the playoffs (however they did it, they did it), and starting a Rookie with virtually no WRs to speak of, an aging RB, and a hodgepodge Offensive line, I'll give them through next year when the "culture" has been established, money spent and Draft picks for three years have been assigned. FWIW, it appears that they're doing a fairly good job of locating Drafted talent with Zay not yet showing his value and Allen still needing a lot more to prove. Zay isn't good and Allen still needs time, so where do you get "a fairly good job" from? You basically disprove your own point.
Wayne Arnold Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 53 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: At least post the whole quote, idiots Then why is Kelvin Benjamin here?
Freddie's Dead Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 Watching Bar Rescue. Too bad there's no "Jon Taffer of NFL football" to go in and scream some sense into the management at OBD. Giving the ball to McCoy only 5 times a game proves that McD believes the **** he's shoveling. Culture trumps strategy. What a crock.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 55 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: At least post the whole quote My initial reaction to this (the whole quote) was "Oh no, Oh no." Maybe there's yet more context to it, in terms of the question he was asked I suppose the details of what he means by "culture" and by "strategy" matter. Gentle readers: What do those two words mean to you?
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said: Watching Bar Rescue. Too bad there's no "Jon Taffer of NFL football" to go in and scream some sense into the management at OBD. Giving the ball to McCoy only 5 times a game proves that McD believes the **** he's shoveling. Culture trumps strategy. What a crock. See, the thing is, I don't know if that's what he means by strategy. He might refer to how many times we run vs pass or how many touches McCoy gets as "tactics" https://fs.blog/2018/08/strategy-vs-tactics/ 1
klos63 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) me winning isn't, you do. Edited October 3, 2018 by klos63
Philo Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Trogdor said: You're using a team that is notorious for preparing and scheming for everything. Their culture comes from this preparation and their strategy. It's a bad analogy. Preparation is obviously part of it, but as other posters have pointed out already, getting the right players in place is another large factor. The team needs driven, self-motivated guys, that love the game of football. It is difficult to integrate a talented yet lazy player into a team full of hard working team first players. At some point, things could fall apart if that player becomes a problem in the locker room with coaches or teammates. I think this philosophy is clear in the moves that McBean have made so far. A team with a strong culture becomes greater than the sum of its parts. A talented team with questionable culture can fall short. We are building the cultural foundation with many key pieces seemingly already in place. Next step is to infuse more talent.
apuszczalowski Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: They win because they have Tom Brady. It starts and ends with him. Once Tom Brady retires they will stop winning. The pats by many ex players go there to win because they know they can. Talent is the most important thing on the planet. Nate Peterman busts his ass everyday im sure, but he is awful. What he is saying is Having guys like Nate Paterman is the most important. Well except when he is out and the backups fill in and they still win...... 1
Paulus Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) Culture and strategy feed off each other. One can create the other. Although, it is arguably more difficult for a strategy to create a powerful culture, than vice versa. But, yeah let's fawn over what the insignificants have to say on the twitter, ugh. Edited October 3, 2018 by Paulus 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Clapping improves effort. Effort trumps strategy. I got it now. That's fine. But if that said player !@#$ing blows what good is his effort? Did he say that culture trumped talent? 1
ghostwriter Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 The only way to change the culture is by WINNING! 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Disagree about the Pat's and culture, the have 'the patriot way', if you dont come in and confirm to it, they discard you. It's why alot of players that have been issues with other teams in the past are able to come.in and not be an issue there. He even said, they arent talking choir boys, this isn't them looking for players who would leave the game to help an old lady across the street. The 'culture' they want is team players who care more about their team and winning then individual stats, and live for the game, not guys who live for the paycheck..... And you see teams that are built that way succeed a lot of the time. Strategy will only get you so far - at the end of the day its players executing that strategy, and trust in one another to do their jobs.
CountDorkula Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, apuszczalowski said: Well except when he is out and the backups fill in and they still win...... So they still win 5 Superbowls and are the winning-est franchise in the last 17 years without Brady, right?
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, Paulus said: Culture and strategy feed off each other. One can create the other. Although, it is arguably more difficult for a strategy to create a powerful culture, than vice versa. See, this is kind of where I am. Culture is important - do people want to be there? Do they consistently put in their best effort to prepare, execute, evaluate, and improve? Are they team first, and not memememe? But I think it's hard - maybe impossible - to build a great culture if you don't have a sound strategy and have people believe in that strategy. I think a lot of people in this thread are confusing strategy and tactics, which with I sympathize because it's always been a point I get mixed. 2 1
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