BADOLBILZ Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't know that I agree with you here. Culture, in reality, is the set of beliefs, assumptions and expectations that govern how people within an organization actually interact and behave. Culture as spoken about by management, is often the expression of an aspirational set of values that are observed by the rank-and-file not to match behaviors that are in practice rewarded. Many of the most successful companies in the world actually create their success thru a few innovators and decision makers at the top and then a bunch of very, very inexpensive foreign labor and material providers. The people in the middle serve a purpose but don't necessarily create separation from competitors or upstarts. A lot of those companies are purposefully big on talking about their "culture" because it's pretty eyewash.........but it's not ACTUALLY organization-wide. Not even CLOSE. ? The reality is that most successful companies have various levels of personnel that are held to different "culture" standards. This is how it generally is in the NFL as well.............which is why McD's trash has become more successful teams treasure. 3
liverpoolkev Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: He took at team that was nearly as devoid of talent and went to the playoffs last year Which basically.....makes your take look clownish Oh you mean when McDermott made the call for Peterman to play instead of TYROD....boy that sure worked out.......Now that was clownish ... Thank God Tyrod got them to the playoffs because the fool of a coach was trying to keep them from going ........McDermott and clownish not that is a nice synonym....
oldmanfan Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 1 minute ago, liverpoolkev said: Oh you mean when McDermott made the call for Peterman to play instead of TYROD....boy that sure worked out.......Now that was clownish ... Thank God Tyrod got them to the playoffs because the fool of a coach was trying to keep them from going ........McDermott and clownish not that is a nice synonym.... And the culture he established allowed him to explain to the team that decision, explain why he did so, admit it was a wrong decision, go back to Tyrod. And make the playoffs. 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Many of the most successful companies in the world actually create their success thru a few innovators and decision makers at the top and then a bunch of very, very inexpensive foreign labor and material providers. The people in the middle serve a purpose but don't necessarily create separation from competitors or upstarts. A lot of those companies are purposefully big on talking about their "culture" because it's pretty eyewash.........but it's not ACTUALLY organization-wide. Not even CLOSE. ? The reality is that most successful companies have various levels of personnel that are held to different "culture" standards. This is how it generally is in the NFL as well.............which is why McD's trash has become more successful teams treasure. Leaders define the culture for their organization. Successful organizations have leaders that live that culture and hold employees to it. Poor leaders do not; they expect employees to be accountable to the culture while violating it themselves. Such organizations have problems because employees can see their leaders do not believe their own words. Seen it happen on more than one occasion.
SoTier Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't know that I agree with you here. Culture, in reality, is the set of beliefs, assumptions and expectations that govern how people within an organization actually interact and behave. Culture as spoken about by management, is often the expression of an aspirational set of values that are observed by the rank-and-file not to match behaviors that are in practice rewarded. This is pretty much the accepted definition/description of corporate/organizational culture. Culture develops endemically over time based on the actual interactions between management and employees, not on management edicts or pep talks. Like a society's culture, a corporate culture develops over a long time without a distinct beginning or end unless there's some cataclysmic event -- like a change of ownership of a football team -- that results in massive personnel changes at the very top of the corporate food chain which changes the way the organization is run. The Bills have a culture, but it's not at all what McDermott -- and his supporters on TSW -- claim it is. It's pretty much the same culture that developed under Russ Brandon's aegis since he was put in charge of the Bills in 2006 after Tom Donahoe was fired. When Pegula purchased the Bills in 2013, if he wanted to change the team's direction, he should have parted ways with Russ Brandon, Doug Whaley, Jim Overdorf, etc and brought in his own people from the top down. Instead, he kept Brandon and his top henchmen. McDermott and Beane were hired because they fit the Bills culture that had developed under Brandon, which is why the Bills seem to being doing similar things under the new regime that they did under the previous regime and the one before that ... The real difference is that Beane and the scouting department he assembled after Whaley and the old scouts were fired seem to be incompetent as talent evaluators which accentuates McDermott's failure to field a competitive NFL team because of his "my way or the highway" philosophy. Edited October 7, 2018 by SoTier 1
ghostwriter Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Successful organizations have leaders that live that culture and hold employees to it. Poor leaders do not; they expect employees to be accountable to the culture while violating it themselves. Such organizations have problems because employees can see their leaders do not believe their own words. Seen it happen on more than one occasion. Lawrence Taylor, Michael Irvin, Terrell Owens, Antonio Brown, Richard Sherman, Marshawn Lynch, Stephon Gilmore, Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Marcell Dareus. Elite coaches manage personalities, period.
SoTier Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 24 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I'm one who has lived it and developed it. Your statement indicates you don't have a clue. Instead of blowing hot air, answer the one question I have posed: name one successful organization that does not have a successful culture. You aren't the only who has "lived it" in the corporate world, dude, and you're just incorrect when you claim that you "developed it" because a corporate/organizational culture can't be "developed" by a single individual or even several individuals like a facilities maintenance plan or a new software program. It develops pretty much on its own over time from a series of interactions between management and employees. What you've described in your past posts seems much more like a corporate philosophy or a mission statement (for non-profits) which also brings customers/clients into the equation rather than culture, although the corporate/organizational culture can certainly impact customers/clients. 2
oldmanfan Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 56 minutes ago, SoTier said: You aren't the only who has "lived it" in the corporate world, dude, and you're just incorrect when you claim that you "developed it" because a corporate/organizational culture can't be "developed" by a single individual or even several individuals like a facilities maintenance plan or a new software program. It develops pretty much on its own over time from a series of interactions between management and employees. What you've described in your past posts seems much more like a corporate philosophy or a mission statement (for non-profits) which also brings customers/clients into the equation rather than culture, although the corporate/organizational culture can certainly impact customers/clients. Developed it as leader as one of the leaders of my current organization and others. As one of a group of leaders, led by a CEO who gets it. You're right that it develops, butbbecausevthe leaders of the organization are committed to its growth. Why is it no one yet can give me an example of a successful organization without a successful culture? 1 hour ago, NewDayBills said: Lawrence Taylor, Michael Irvin, Terrell Owens, Antonio Brown, Richard Sherman, Marshawn Lynch, Stephon Gilmore, Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Marcell Dareus. Elite coaches manage personalities, period. Successful coaches set up cultures that allow for certain behaviors. Your first 5 names are all guys that were controversial but gave their all in terms of play on the field. McD and others can live with that. It's when they underperform and refuse to be motivated like Dareus where you have problems. And even the good guys like the first 5 get let go when they become too estranged from culture. You are making the same mistake others made with his quote. Culture and talent are not mutually exclusive.
ghostwriter Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Why is it no one yet can give me an example of a successful organization without a successful culture? Successful coaches set up cultures that allow for certain behaviors. Your first 5 names are all guys that were controversial but gave their all in terms of play on the field. McD and others can live with that. It's when they underperform and refuse to be motivated like Dareus where you have problems. And even the good guys like the first 5 get let go when they become too estranged from culture. You are making the same mistake others made with his quote. Culture and talent are not mutually exclusive. Winning creates culture and if you have a guy that is the best at his craft, he will have a ginormous ego. Do you think Bruce, Jimbo, Andre and Thurm were choir boys? Absolutely not! Marv just knew how to manage supremely talented men with enormous personalities. Any elite athlete will be that way, moxy is good not bad.
oldmanfan Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 27 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Winning creates culture and if you have a guy that is the best at his craft, he will have a ginormous ego. Do you think Bruce, Jimbo, Andre and Thurm were choir boys? Absolutely not! Marv just knew how to manage supremely talented men with enormous personalities. Any elite athlete will be that way, moxy is good not bad. You have it backwards. The guys you mention plus guys like Jordan or Bird were immensely talented but bought into the team culture. Bought in so much they led others into buying in. Brady does that now.
ghostwriter Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: You have it backwards. The guys you mention plus guys like Jordan or Bird were immensely talented but bought into the team culture. Bought in so much they led others into buying in. Brady does that now. Oh, yeah? Kelly dodging the Bills for 3 years in the USFL is buying in to team culture? Nahhhh. That's called Buffalo realizing they had an elite talent and figuring out a way to make it work. Once we started winning, then Kelly bought in, he didn't even want to be here. Winning solves all problems and reinforces players psychologically and encourages a more powerful team mentality and team confidence. That's why the good franchises are always good and the bad ones seem to have a hard time turning it around.
Turk71 Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 Does culture trump process? That should have been the follow up question. Is it a tie?
Big Gun Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 8 hours ago, oldmanfan said: You have it backwards. The guys you mention plus guys like Jordan or Bird were immensely talented but bought into the team culture. Bought in so much they led others into buying in. Brady does that now. Bulls had a losing culture before MJ arrived. Just as I thought, you are a corporate shill who came up with a new company catch phrase that is phantom as you can't see it, can't touch it, and can't explain it. The only culture in the medical profession is how to screw patients out of all of their hard earned money. That definitely is a culture everyone knows about!
oldmanfan Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, pop gun said: Bulls had a losing culture before MJ arrived. Just as I thought, you are a corporate shill who came up with a new company catch phrase that is phantom as you can't see it, can't touch it, and can't explain it. The only culture in the medical profession is how to screw patients out of all of their hard earned money. That definitely is a culture everyone knows about! I've explained it a number of times now. You're too ignorant to understand it.
Big Gun Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: I've explained it a number of times now. You're too ignorant to understand it. Nah, all you've explained is this phony culture belief yet won't listen to others who question it and or debunk it, that's ignorance!
oldmanfan Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 1 minute ago, pop gun said: Nah, all you've explained is this phony culture belief yet won't listen to others who question it and or debunk it, that's ignorance! When you offer a reasonable argument I'll be happy to discuss. All you're doing is barking at the moon. As an example when you say all health care folks do is rip off patients it is not only wrong and insulting but completely ignorant
MAJBobby Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 And the Transformation to Dicky J is COMPLETE.
Bing Bong Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 On 10/5/2018 at 2:46 PM, Straight Hucklebuck said: My own theory is culture and leadership are overrated. I think winning football games with as much talent as often as possible creates a winning culture and leadership naturally.. mostly cause players uh... Give a crap about competing for the SB. Don't agree with McD one bit here. Put your big boy pants on and discipline your talented players instead of getting rid of them.
BADOLBILZ Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 23 hours ago, oldmanfan said: And the culture he established allowed him to explain to the team that decision, explain why he did so, admit it was a wrong decision, go back to Tyrod. And make the playoffs. Leaders define the culture for their organization. Successful organizations have leaders that live that culture and hold employees to it. Poor leaders do not; they expect employees to be accountable to the culture while violating it themselves. Such organizations have problems because employees can see their leaders do not believe their own words. Seen it happen on more than one occasion. So Steve Jobs lived the "Apple culture" and held employees to it? You gotta' be kidding with that nonsense.?
oldmanfan Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: So Steve Jobs lived the "Apple culture" and held employees to it? You gotta' be kidding with that nonsense.? Yes he did. His was an autocratic culture. Not all cultures are the same.
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