Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, FrankReichComeback#14 said: From all reports and from trusted players like Eric Wood and Kyle Williams there is a good culture in place. Eric Wood isn't in the locker room any more. Kyle Williams is, but what do you expect him to say publically other than "we're working hard, we've got to do better" boilerplate? You can't judge culture by what team leaders say to the press. Others with some gouge have said there was fear in the locker room after the Chargers game and guys who were known problems, were being problems to others. That's rumor, but if the culture is so great -Why has the D come out flat in 3 of 4 games? -What about the on again/off again effort from the OL (independent of blocking scheme or assignment issues)? -How do you explain Benjamin, extolled by Beane as a hard worker, team guy the coaches will love at the time of the trade and now visibly slacking to the point where McDermott has publically called him on it (not just talking drops, talking the effort in route running, effort in blocking, that "hands" team on ST joke)? 1 hour ago, FrankReichComeback#14 said: Moving on from Marcel and Sammy were certainly the right moves for many reasons. The Bills signed Marcel when he was a top DT and his play deteriorated since 2015. By the way your argument about him doesn’t hold value either. For his contract, he should be playing more than 65% of the snaps. He’s just not worth his deal. You're correct that Dareus play fell off under Rex and stayed low under McDermott. No one is arguing whether or not Dareus play fell off. The point is, to build a great team, other coaches take guys who are already on the roster and can play and get them to buy in and turn it on. We actually saw that with Dareus going from Wannstache/Gailey to Pettine then Schwartz/Marrone. The fact is Dareus is currently contributing strongly to a top defense, arguing he's still capable of playing at a high level, just wasn't motivated here. I am vastly amused by people telling me my arguments don't hold value when actually, they don't know the facts themselves. Let's have a look at top NT salaries: Now let's look at snap counts (note this source differs from PFR, everyone is lower - offered for comparison purposes) Cox 56% Atkins 54% Kawann Short 37% Marcell Dareus 42% Malik Jackson 46% Gerald McCoy 57% Linval Joseph 54% Tim Jernigan NFI, has not played Star Lotulelie 34% Dontari Poe 36% So right away we see Dareus is playing # snaps right in line with the two guys flanking him in salary 1 hour ago, FrankReichComeback#14 said: Many fans have no clue what it takes to build a successful NFL franchise. I think it’s time to give these guys a break. I agree with you. The second guessing of the Bills fan base is off the charts I find this ironic under the circumstances. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatComeback Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Eric Wood isn't in the locker room any more. Kyle Williams is, but what do you expect him to say publically other than "we're working hard, we've got to do better" boilerplate? You can't judge culture by what team leaders say to the press. Others with some gouge have said there was fear in the locker room after the Chargers game and guys who were known problems, were being problems to others. That's rumor, but if the culture is so great -Why has the D come out flat in 3 of 4 games? -What about the on again/off again effort from the OL (independent of blocking scheme or assignment issues)? -How do you explain Benjamin, extolled by Beane as a hard worker, team guy the coaches will love at the time of the trade and now visibly slacking to the point where McDermott has publically called him on it (not just talking drops, talking the effort in route running, effort in blocking, that "hands" team on ST joke)? You're correct that Dareus play fell off under Rex and stayed low under McDermott. No one is arguing whether or not Dareus play fell off. The point is, to build a great team, other coaches take guys who are already on the roster and can play and get them to buy in and turn it on. We actually saw that with Dareus going from Wannstache/Gailey to Pettine then Schwartz/Marrone. The fact is Dareus is currently contributing strongly to a top defense, arguing he's still capable of playing at a high level, just wasn't motivated here. I am vastly amused by people telling me my arguments don't hold value when actually, they don't know the facts themselves. Let's have a look at top NT salaries: Now let's look at snap counts (note this source differs from PFR, everyone is lower - offered for comparison purposes) Cox 56% Atkins 54% Kawann Short 37% Marcell Dareus 42% Malik Jackson 46% Gerald McCoy 57% Linval Joseph 54% Tim Jernigan NFI, has not played Star Lotulelie 34% Dontari Poe 36% So right away we see Dareus is playing # snaps right in line with the two guys flanking him in salary I find this ironic under the circumstances. You make a few good points but from what a I can gather you seem to be extremely down on McDermott and Beane. You want to criticize what, in your opinion, are bad moves yet you are reluctant to give them the appropriate amount of praise. Just seems like a lot of confirmation bias and not very fair takes. Also for you to discredit Eric Wood who still has many connections in the organization and to say “Kyle is just towing the company line,” on culture is extremely disrespectual to both veterans. You are a fan who watches games from home and you have no idea what the culture of the lockerom is like. I will take guys for Wood, Kyle, Shady and others who have given us no reason to think that anything they say is “boilerplate.” Those players are actually there - you are not. In my opinion, if you are going to criticize any of the moves of this administration decisions like parting with Marcel Is fairly small. LGiven his contract and his attitude, I think it wasn’t a good move getting him off the team. Bottom line - he wasn’t producing. Happens all the time. If you want to fault anyone, it should be The Pegulas. When the hired McDermott they should have fired Whaley and started fresh with a new GM. Instead they kept Whaley and his crew around as lame ducks to protect the scouting work they had done. IMO I think this was a result of Terry’s friendship with Doug. He kept him around until after the draft. This was a bad call as it left McDermott to call the shots in personnel. While I am very pleased with him as HC, he is not a GM. You can argue that he made a few blunders in terms of the screwing up the compensation formula by signing MOR veterans, not picking up the 5th year option on Sammy, and a few other choices. The bigger question mark is, what would Beane have done at QB in the draft had he been hired in Jan? Does he take Mahomes or Watson? I dont blame McDermott for punting on QB. He knows a big decision like that is a bit above his pay grade and he didn’t trust Whaley to pick his QB for him. Again, I will preach. Let the pros do their job. Give them time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 (edited) On 10/3/2018 at 2:09 PM, John from Riverside said: I have absolutely no idea how anyone can make a comparison between the two McD.....commands respect and his players play for him Gregg Williiams.....I bet there are players on his own team that would love the kick the **** out of him 1 1 McD.....commands respect and his players play for him; that's why they are constantly getting embarrassed. The people that he shipped out, for the most part, was the playmakers that couldn't stomach his bull crap..... for I would rather have the Rams culture Woods is going very nice there or maybe KC culture I would even take Jacksonville culture with freakin Blake Bortles. Marcel is doing very well there. Fact is MCBEAN was a bad hire his offensive and defensive staff is a joke. His scouting dept leaves a lot to be desired his trades has been unnecessary to say the least. He is way over his head, which I feared ......He will go down in flames like his; love for Peterman Another black eye for the Palugas ......please stick to whatever business you guys were in before football/hockey......you guys are terrible at assessing coaching/GM talent Edited October 6, 2018 by liverpoolkev spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostwriter Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You do realize that NTs don't prove their value by making tackles, right? (the actual number is 17 I think) I think the fair question raised is "why was MD half-assing it through games here, while right now he's playing 65% of the snaps on one of the best defenses in the NFL?" I believe that the situation with McDermott had likely deteriorated enough that they decided their best alternative to move him, but again, that begs the question "why"? Culture is not this fixed and immutable structure that you plonk players into. The players make the culture and the players change in response to it. The same guy who is rave reviews for his hard work and effort in Situation 1 can turn to dross in Situation 2. Go reread what Beane had to say about Benjamin when we brought him in, and compare to what we see now. That's when it helps to have a coach who can manage personalities well. Being an NFL coach requires a bit of insight into psychology, it's not that X personality is bad, it's about how can I communicate with him in a way that's going to get through to him. You have to wonder about McD's mediation skills when even his own guy (Kelvin Benjamin) does not want to be here. Once again, different personality types are NOT a bad thing if you can manage them, it's actually a really good thing. Coach McD could benefit on a few psychology courses in the offseason, I think he could benefit from it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 9 hours ago, FrankReichComeback#14 said: People need to give Beane and McDermott some time. It’s unfair to judge them so soon. Let’s see what happens on year 3 after they have the chance to spend $100 million in Free Agency. Flip side- better believe in them after 2 years to give them such an important offseason. Can’t be a total write off year this year, though pains are obviously expected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 On 10/4/2018 at 10:56 PM, K-9 said: Folks aren't appreciating the depths to which the relationship between Dareus and McBeane had deteriorated. A divorce was inevitable and I'm not sure it was as easy to just have him hang around as some might think. Especially in light of a new staff with new standards, etc. trying to establish a certain order. Agreed that McDermott and Co. went well out of their way to create an untenable situation with Dareus. Even vanilla-Bill-shill Chris Brown was coming on the pregame in PRESEASON and ripping Dareus with the obvious blessing of McBeane. And getting deeply personal........like "how does this guy who has lost so many people in his life not want to be a better teammate?". It was getting absurd. McD was determined to cast a dominant shadow over this roster at any personnel cost. But things change quickly in the NFL.......and winning and time change relationships. Somehow despite this "bad" relationship Dareus' was proving to be a one man run defense in helping the Bills to a 5-2 start. Been a lot of bad relationships on teams that went on to great success that were mended or managed with time and winning. McD couldn't deal with it and while it may not be his WORST personnel move because there have been many bad ones....... it is the one most directly responsible for a ton of UGLY blowouts ever since. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Let's see if this team's "culture" gets it spanked at home tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 On 10/5/2018 at 3:51 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...at what point do we get beyond all of these labels, concepts, warm 'n fuzzy feel goods, or any other God forsaken distractions and get back to playing football?..... I know this much............nobody posts as much and is as consistently wrong as you. Perhaps you like the culture at your job because you can post nonsense on TSW from your desk all day and it's allowed.? The "every successful organization has to have great culture" stuff is UTTER nonsense in the real world. Talent, innovation and competitiveness are what drive company growth in the private sector............and it really doesn't matter that much how the company gets them. Culture is often a shackle that allows competitors to undermine bigger companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, liverpoolkev said: McD.....commands respect and his players play for him; that's why they are constantly getting embarrassed. The people that he shipped out, for the most part, was the playmakers that couldn't stomach his bull crap..... for I would rather have the Rams culture Woods is going very nice there or maybe KC culture I would even take Jacksonville culture with freakin Blake Bortles. Marcel is doing very well there. Fact is MCBEAN was a bad hire his offensive and defensive staff is a joke. His scouting dept leaves a lot to be desired his trades has been unnecessary to say the least. He is way over his head, which I feared ......He will go down in flames like his; love for Peterman Another black eye for the Palugas ......please stick to whatever business you guys were in before football/hockey......you guys are terrible at assessing coaching/GM talent The problem is that the Pegula's really don't know what they want. There needs to be an organizational directive from ownership. The Rams are an interesting situation because Kroenke stuck with Fisher for far too long........in part because of the team moving.........but after that time with Fisher he KNEW he did not want a play-not-to-lose defensive coach. This is Pegula's first kick at that can. It will be interesting to see if/when the heat starts for McBeane if they pull the same sh*t that Marrone and Rex did.........basically put Pegula on the spot and demand an extension or to be fired. That kinda' behavior shows the lack of respect that Marrone and Rex had for the Pegula's. TP is between a rock and hard place because he doesn't know anything about building a winning football organization and everyone knows it.........so the first assumption is that any time he fires someone it's not a decision made from a place of keen perspective. And he's effectively fired 2 HC's in 3 years (Marrone by not agreeing to his demands). But at the same time he can see like everyone else that his team has been less than efficiently managed by Rex and McD. That first hire was a critical one.........that's why people inside the NFL were recommending he hire a football Czar-type to make that decision rather than what happened.........getting duped by a tough-talking interviewee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 33 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I know this much............nobody posts as much and is as consistently wrong as you. Perhaps you like the culture at your job because you can post nonsense on TSW from your desk all day and it's allowed.? The "every successful organization has to have great culture" stuff is UTTER nonsense in the real world. Talent, innovation and competitiveness are what drive company growth in the private sector............and it really doesn't matter that much how the company gets them. Culture is often a shackle that allows competitors to undermine bigger companies. It's me who said the stuff about culture. And you're nuts. Culture defines who you are as a company. No one yet in this board has been able to identify a successful company that does not care about culture. 56 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Agreed that McDermott and Co. went well out of their way to create an untenable situation with Dareus. Even vanilla-Bill-shill Chris Brown was coming on the pregame in PRESEASON and ripping Dareus with the obvious blessing of McBeane. And getting deeply personal........like "how does this guy who has lost so many people in his life not want to be a better teammate?". It was getting absurd. McD was determined to cast a dominant shadow over this roster at any personnel cost. But things change quickly in the NFL.......and winning and time change relationships. Somehow despite this "bad" relationship Dareus' was proving to be a one man run defense in helping the Bills to a 5-2 start. Been a lot of bad relationships on teams that went on to great success that were mended or managed with time and winning. McD couldn't deal with it and while it may not be his WORST personnel move because there have been many bad ones....... it is the one most directly responsible for a ton of UGLY blowouts ever since. Do you recall the pictures of McD one on one with Dareus on the practice field in preseason? Spending time with him one on one? Don't give me this crap that he went out of his way to alienate him. McD wants players focused on their job. Dareus wasn't. Your highest paid guy on your team can't be that guy. If you are a Parcells you can treat a Lawrence Taylor differently because Taylor was completely there when the bell rang. Dareus wasn't. 1 hour ago, liverpoolkev said: McD.....commands respect and his players play for him; that's why they are constantly getting embarrassed. The people that he shipped out, for the most part, was the playmakers that couldn't stomach his bull crap..... for I would rather have the Rams culture Woods is going very nice there or maybe KC culture I would even take Jacksonville culture with freakin Blake Bortles. Marcel is doing very well there. Fact is MCBEAN was a bad hire his offensive and defensive staff is a joke. His scouting dept leaves a lot to be desired his trades has been unnecessary to say the least. He is way over his head, which I feared ......He will go down in flames like his; love for Peterman Another black eye for the Palugas ......please stick to whatever business you guys were in before football/hockey......you guys are terrible at assessing coaching/GM talent Woods left as a free agent; he was not "shipped out". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 1 hour ago, FrankReichComeback#14 said: You make a few good points but from what a I can gather you seem to be extremely down on McDermott and Beane. You want to criticize what, in your opinion, are bad moves yet you are reluctant to give them the appropriate amount of praise. Just seems like a lot of confirmation bias and not very fair takes. Well, I'll give you props: at least you're polite and you're not talking about "haterade" or "negative nancies". I'm more than happy to give McDermott and Beane praise for what good things they've done. What would you like to see praised? 1 hour ago, FrankReichComeback#14 said: Also for you to discredit Eric Wood who still has many connections in the organization and to say “Kyle is just towing the company line,” on culture is extremely disrespectual to both veterans. You are a fan who watches games from home and you have no idea what the culture of the lockerom is like. I will take guys for Wood, Kyle, Shady and others who have given us no reason to think that anything they say is “boilerplate.” Those players are actually there - you are not. I used to know a guy who was a fully certified air traffic controller in ZTL - Atlanta Center, some of the busiest airspace in the world. He used to refer to his immediate supervisors and the next level management guys as "Satan". "Satan" would present himself to the public as one of the ranks (since they still worked traffic) and tell us "Staffing is Adequate, Morale is High, and Safety is Never Compromised". Meanwhile, in front of the scopes, chronically sleep deprived guys working mandatory overtime would buy caller-ID to not answer the phone unless friends or families, because if they were contacted on a day off they had to come in. But I digress. In any kind of corporate structure with project teams and so forth, there are always people given leadership and PR roles by management. Those people have those roles because they are trusted not to throw the organization or their teammates under the bus in public. It would be highly naive to think they're talking without a filter. Disrespectful, Whatever. I hope for his own sake Wood is no longer intimately plugged into the daily life of the team. For a guy forced to retire, that would be highly unhealthy. You're damn straight, neither of us is in the locker room. If you want to take what carefully-spoken veterans like KW or ex-players like Wood say as the whole story, your perogative. But if the culture is great and everyone plugged in, how do you explain: -Why has the D come out so flat in the first half of 3 of 4 games -spotting the Ravens 24 1st half points plus 3 on an INT -spotting the Chargers 28 first-half points without any INTs, fumbles, blocked punts, or other mishaps -spotting Green Bay 13 first half points plus 3 on an INT -What about the on again/off again effort from the OL (independent of blocking scheme or assignment issues)? -One play they hold, the next sees Mills and Miller being slung about like rags or Ducasse or Bodine being walked back into the QB. -How do you explain Benjamin, extolled at the time of the trade by Beane as a hard worker, team guy the coaches will love and now visibly slacking to the point where McDermott has publically called him on it (not just talking drops, talking the effort in route running, effort in blocking, that "hands" team on ST joke)? 1 hour ago, FrankReichComeback#14 said: In my opinion, if you are going to criticize any of the moves of this administration decisions like parting with Marcel Is fairly small. LGiven his contract and his attitude, I think it wasn’t a good move getting him off the team. Bottom line - he wasn’t producing. Happens all the time. The point is, if our culture is so great and Dareus just a washed-up bad apple, why is Dareus down in Jax producing? Meanwhile Benjamin, whom Beane extolled when traded here, is now phoning it in at times to the point where even McDermott is starting to call him out publicly. Might not make you go "hmmmmm". Make me go "hmmmmm." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodHands15 Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 On 10/3/2018 at 12:12 PM, LSHMEAB said: I never really understood why "choir boy" was synonymous with virtue. I'm sure there's plenty of bad apples who once sang in a group. An interesting mystery. Because it sounds better than choir man/men? Are choir boys synonymous with virtue or innocence? Does innocence imply virtue? . . . I would hate to be a choir boy in 2018. High risk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 2 hours ago, liverpoolkev said: McD.....commands respect and his players play for him; that's why they are constantly getting embarrassed. The people that he shipped out, for the most part, was the playmakers that couldn't stomach his bull crap..... for I would rather have the Rams culture Woods is going very nice there or maybe KC culture I would even take Jacksonville culture with freakin Blake Bortles. Marcel is doing very well there. Fact is MCBEAN was a bad hire his offensive and defensive staff is a joke. His scouting dept leaves a lot to be desired his trades has been unnecessary to say the least. He is way over his head, which I feared ......He will go down in flames like his; love for Peterman Another black eye for the Palugas ......please stick to whatever business you guys were in before football/hockey......you guys are terrible at assessing coaching/GM talent He took at team that was nearly as devoid of talent and went to the playoffs last year Which basically.....makes your take look clownish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 51 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: The "every successful organization has to have great culture" stuff is UTTER nonsense in the real world. Talent, innovation and competitiveness are what drive company growth in the private sector............and it really doesn't matter that much how the company gets them. Culture is often a shackle that allows competitors to undermine bigger companies. I don't know that I agree with you here. Culture, in reality, is the set of beliefs, assumptions and expectations that govern how people within an organization actually interact and behave. Culture as spoken about by management, is often the expression of an aspirational set of values that are observed by the rank-and-file not to match behaviors that are in practice rewarded. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodHands15 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: e point is, if our culture is so great and Dareus just a washed-up bad apple, why is Dareus down in Jax producing? Meanwhile Benjamin, whom Beane extolled when traded here, is now phoning it in at times to the point where even McDermott is starting to call him out publicly. Might not make you go "hmmmmm". Make me go "hmmmmm." Jags had a defined culture in place. Dareus was affordable due to them being in Super Bowl contention mode. Their build is almost finalized. He is not a leader but if he’s in a follower position he prolly balls out when he’s not the one setting expectations. Taking 14.2 mil hit this year dead cap. Creating a discipline based culture with younger guys is much easier when you don’t have a person of his personality type leading their attention. Also. He’s off the books after 2018. 14.2 mil dead cap. Star: 6.7 —2018 11.5 10.1 10.8–2021 MD: $9.925 million salary in 2018, as well as non-guaranteed salaries of $8.335 million (2019), $12.35 million (2020) and $12.4 million (2021) Results on the field are one thing, but we don’t want to go into 2020 looking to pay a space eater 3.8 million more than another space eater. We want max cap power towards impact positions with our young studs now entering their 2nd-4th years. You need Calais Campbell, Ndimniche, Ramsey, Jack, Bouye, Telvin Smith, Fournette, OFFENSIVE LINE, GOOD WR, and even a Bortles....before bringing in a Marcel Dareus to fill a small deficiency in run defense via trade to put your D from top 10 to top 3. Imo. Edited October 7, 2018 by GoodHands15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostwriter Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 53 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: He took at team that was nearly as devoid of talent and went to the playoffs last year Which basically.....makes your take look clownish Who's fault is that? He purged our roster of talent, be fair. Can't give him a free pass for having a bare cupboard when he's the guy that threw everything in the trash. Can he lead men? Not every 6'5 300lb player is going to let a 5'8 150lbs coach control their every move. These guys aren't kids anymore, hell a lot of these guys have kids and families and tons of people relying on them. There will be lots of different characters, identities, humors, flaws and personalities and a good coach will see the good in his men and lead them, not trade them away for nothing! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Culture defines who you are as a company. No it doesn't. You sound like a dumb corporate shill who blows hot air in meetings thinking you know everything because the company sent you to stupid culture classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostwriter Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) Give me Antonio Brown or OBJ ALL DAY LONG. I'd even take Terrell Owens in his prime, YOU BETCHA! Those guys are winners, definitely not culture guys but I'd want them on my team! Ever see those dog show trainers that literally train dogs to the point where they lose their personalities and become robots? YUCK! That's what MCD wants! Dez should have been in Buffalo 2 weeks ago! Edited October 7, 2018 by NewDayBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On 10/5/2018 at 5:32 AM, Thurman#1 said: It's the fault of being still early in a rebuild ... a rebuild during which the owner exacted a promise to clean up the salary cap morass by the end of this year. That dead cap space looks awful this year and terrific next year. I personally don't see a lot of gaping holes on the defense. Certainly still room for improvement, but "gaping holes"? I don't see it on defense. On offense, yeah. That tends to happen, though, that a new coach prioritizes the side of the ball that he specializes in. And yeah, Smith-Schuster would've been an improvement over Zay, or so it looks so far. But the rest of that draft looks damn good. Tre' White at #27? Dawkins in the 3rd, trading up to get him? Looks very smart in retrospect. Milano in the 5th? Even Peterman in the 5th might easily turn out to be a good pick if he ends up as a long-time backup, here or elsewhere, though it's far from sure that will happen. You can't blame them for the Zay Jones pick without also praising them for White, Dawkins and Milano. And that was all before Beane even came on board. 2 But the rest of that draft looks damn good. really? Tre' White at #27? instead, we could have stayed put at 10 and got either Watson or Mahomes.Thanks, McDermott. I think I take a franchise QB over a DB any day of the week. Dawkins in the 3rd, trading up to get him? why was that a good move because Bean called McDermott to tell him his boss was thinking about him....This is what happens when you get rid of the draft board that the previous scouting staff sets up....You rely on your buddy from another team to call looks very dumb in retrospect. Milano in the 5th? you got to be crazy Why do you think our run defense is so bad now he thought a linebacker should play at a safety weight like his glory days in Carolina Peterman in the 5th might easily turn out to be his hang noose like TOLBERT why is he still on the team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 59 minutes ago, pop gun said: No it doesn't. You sound like a dumb corporate shill who blows hot air in meetings thinking you know everything because the company sent you to stupid culture classes. I'm one who has lived it and developed it. Your statement indicates you don't have a clue. Instead of blowing hot air, answer the one question I have posed: name one successful organization that does not have a successful culture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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