jkeerie Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Culture is nothing without talent, not the other way around. It applies to all walks of life. You can be the most honorable person in the world, but at the end of the day you need talent to succeed in an ultra competitive field. He never said culture trumps talent. Talent does not equal strategy. McD is developing a culture. He knows he needs talented players within that culture to succeed. 1
TheBrownBear Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 I have absolutely no problem with Beane and McDermott gutting this roster, so long as the dudes they shipped out were not contributing to a positive atmosphere. They were brought in to rebuild this team the way they see fit. And I really don't understand how people can complain given they ended the playoff drought in their one full season, and presumably have secured our franchise quarterback for the next decade. This year is painful, but it's what year one of a rebuilding project looks like. Look back to the '88-'89 Cowboys or the '85-86 Bills. Those teams sucked, but the cultures were being created and the pieces put into place for future dominance.
SoTier Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 6 hours ago, CookieG said: Someone needs to go into his room, go to his nightstand, and swipe his copy of Dick Jauron's "How to Build a Winning Culture with a Bottom 5 Offense". Bad, bad reading material. Game. Set. Match.
ColoradoBills Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Culture is nothing without talent, not the other way around. It applies to all walks of life. You can be the most honorable person in the world, but at the end of the day you need talent to succeed in an ultra-competitive field. Most importantly, someone who cant block a 300lb DT (our entire Oline); someone who cant run fast and catch a football (our entire WR group), will never consistently win in the NFL bc they lack the talent to do so no matter what culture theyre entrenched in. McDermott told the OL when it comes to the run game that they are not playing up to their potential and if they were the run game would improve. The culture he talks about is everyone should give their all and play to their potential all the time and even exceed it. The way I hear it is McDermott is saying more or less that there are players on the OL "slacking off" either physically or mentally or both. I see this as 1 step away from some starters being sat or released and younger guys being given a chance. His comment it seems to me was comparing culture to scheme and had nothing to do with a players talent.
billsfan89 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Real question. When is the roster and culture built? year round. During the offseason, or during the season? Personally i think roster building is pretty much done in august, and the personalities that are on your team them collectively define the culture, so I am not sure that sure much of that changes during the season. Since we are in week 4, I am hoping our coaches can come up with some better strategy to develop are QB. And maybe more be competitive. Not seeing it so far. It discourages me that in-season our head coach is focused on "process" and "culture" . I want him to be focused on "coaching" McD was responding to a question about the depth chart and roster adjustments, so it isn't a matter of him not being focused on coaching but just responding to a question asked to him. Once you hit past the draft (esp with the draft being much later than free agency) you pretty much have the principle portions of your roster is about 95% set. There aren't many June cuts now with the post June 1st designation. The only significant additions to rosters beyond the draft are usually trades (Any good free agent is signed by that point) or the occasional cap casualty. Neither one happens often unless you are the 2017 Bills. The culture is built year long so that is always a (no pun intended) process. Overall I think that the X's and O's and general culture are a big part of in season and off-season decision making so I don't think that him answering a question about the roster means he isn't focused on the X's and O's. 1
SoTier Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: McDermott told the OL when it comes to the run game that they are not playing up to their potential and if they were the run game would improve. The culture he talks about is everyone should give their all and play to their potential all the time and even exceed it. The way I hear it is McDermott is saying more or less that there are players on the OL "slacking off" either physically or mentally or both. I see this as 1 step away from some starters being sat or released and younger guys being given a chance. His comment it seems to me was comparing culture to scheme and had nothing to do with a players talent. So, if only JP Losman and EJ Manuel had tried harder and been more dedicated, they'd have become successful NFL QBs? Sorry, dude, but everything starts with talent. What separates Khalil Mack from his peers isn't his work ethic or his love of football or "doing things the right way most of the time", it's his talent. It seems to me that what McDermott is doing is blaming untalented players for their lack of ability, instead of facing up to the fact that his -- and Beane's -- poor decisions have resulted in the dumpster fire called the 2018 Buffalo Bills. Edited October 3, 2018 by SoTier
Big Gun Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 So he hopes these "culture" guys that have been found are a okay with "losing" and sacraficing themselves for losing until he has found a team full of "culture" guys and then maybe be good enough to win some games. Yeah, BS, those guys are sacraficing their bodies every game and their careers are short, they want to win now. Losing does not create any kind of "culture". 2
Warcodered Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, pop gun said: So he hopes these "culture" guys that have been found are a okay with "losing" and sacraficing themselves for losing until he has found a team full of "culture" guys and then maybe be good enough to win some games. Yeah, BS, those guys are sacraficing their bodies every game and their careers are short, they want to win now. Losing does not create any kind of "culture". I must of missed the interview where he said all those things. 1
ColoradoBills Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, SoTier said: So, if only JP Losman and EJ Manuel had tried harder and been more dedicated, they'd have become successful NFL QBs? Sorry, dude, but everything starts with talent. What separates Khalil Mack from his peers isn't his work ethic or his love of football or "doing things the right way most of the time", it's his talent. No.. I said nothing like that. EJ Manual has x amount of talent. McDermott is saying he want a guy who play to his talent potential and even to try to exceed it. He also says that a player NOT playing to his potential (x amount of talent) is not part of the "culture". Now, IF Kelvin Benjamin is on this team next year then I will say that McDermott is a "liar" about his culture thus not deserving of his job. So that being said, sorry dude if you can't see what he means. Khalil Mack gives his all on the field......he is the perfect "culture" guy. 1
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Ah, OK, thanks for clarifying. I think I get you now. For me, I would say it's a potential example of the "sunk costs fallacy". McBeane had a plan involving clearing cap, pruning dead wood off the roster, and building around the key pieces of a LT, QB, MLB, and shutdown corner. They made playoffs by a fluke last year with a talent-depleted roster, and this year's plan was to stick it out through some growing pains with the new pieces and add talent next year. I think we all agree that was the plan? Your argument is, let them finish their plan, add talent next year in draft and FA, see where that goes, and then judge. We have sunk a lot of investment in these guys and their plan, right? My point (and this isn't what I'm arguing for, just my guess at what might happen) is that the above is predicated on the display of an appropriate level of football competence given the talent we have. The coaches need to be able to protect the investment in their key-piece QB one way or the other. They need to craft play designs that work with the talent we have and make situationally appropriate playcalls. And they need to show the ability to get the most out of the team on a consistent basis. If they do, fine, stay the course, steady as she goes or as you say, give them a "chance to execute" If they don't, it's just like any business investment where businessmen evaluate the performance of an asset and say "yeah, we will lose our sunk costs, but we don't see evidence that this investment is in the right hands to be turned around" It's saying "you don't get a chance to execute 'cuz we don't see enough evidence that you can execute." raise a glass for the fluke. Edited October 4, 2018 by no name
oldmanfan Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 People keep saying he wants culture over talent. He said no such thing. 1
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: People keep saying he wants culture over talent. He said no such thing. I agree with you. But McD says a lot that is gibberish, so it is understandable why people are confused.
The_Dude Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 I’ve been critical since HE passed on Mahomes. In fact, I coined “McDipshit” and all variations thereof. My exact nightmare scenario could be unfolding. Especially if Josh Allen is a bust. 1
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: I’ve been critical since HE passed on Mahomes. In fact, I coined “McDipshit” and all variations thereof. My exact nightmare scenario could be unfolding. Especially if Josh Allen is a bust. Are you also critical of "the process"
The_Dude Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 Just now, PlayoffsPlease said: Are you also critical of "the process" The process that passed on a more athletic Favre? Yup. I think he’s a good defensive coach but this team is so misguided on offense. It’s atrocious.
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, The_Dude said: The process that passed on a more athletic Favre? Yup. I think he’s a good defensive coach but this team is so misguided on offense. It’s atrocious. But what would you rather have Mahomes, or a great culture?
Warcodered Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, The_Dude said: I’ve been critical since HE passed on Mahomes. In fact, I coined “McDipshit” and all variations thereof. My exact nightmare scenario could be unfolding. Especially if Josh Allen is a bust. You're upset he didn't take a QB #1 in his first draft which isn't that the GM's job? Who was immediately fired after that draft? He hadn't been on the job for 6 months yet and picking a QB #1 isn't something that's okay to miss at. They then took one #1 in the following draft after you know having time to look for one in the coming draft class. 1
Sky Diver Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 Football is a team sport. Part of building a winning culture is to assemble a group of players that compliment each other and can work together towards a common goal. 2
jkeerie Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 I think many fans on this board have a "vending machine mentality." You see what's available, you put in your money, you push the button. If the machine messes up, you beat and kick it. 2
Big Gun Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: You're upset he didn't take a QB #1 in his first draft which isn't that the GM's job? Who was immediately fired after that draft? He hadn't been on the job for 6 months yet and picking a QB #1 isn't something that's okay to miss at. They then took one #1 in the following draft after you know having time to look for one in the coming draft class. Fair enough then Allen also gets a pass for this whole year.
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