ddaryl Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, PUNT750 said: Without Incognito the Bills OL has no push and no nastiness. Dawkins has regressed without Richie next door and Groy, who replaced Wood last season due to injury, can't even start anymore. All over about $3.5 mil in yearly cash earnings for a 3 time All-Pro who started all 49 games in that time period for the Bills. He was a physical & emotional leader. No wonder Richie has had some freak-out sessions after his forced retirement! Crazy for the Bills and him! I don't miss him even a little.. Hope he is getting the medical help he needs. The Bills did not shaft him and no Richie did not deserve better treatment unless we are talking medical then yes he needs better treatment Edited October 3, 2018 by ddaryl
Heitz Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 52 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: We haven’t had a new Incognito thread in a week. Why do some people here refuse to acknowledge the man is very sick and should not be playing? Just look at his behavior from the Jachsonvillle game and all off season. CTE is a bad thing. It was obviously the pay cut that made him go bat sh*t crazy the past several months. He'd have been fine, if not for the bullying by the Bills organization! ? ? 1 1
Paulus Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 8 hours ago, PUNT750 said: Thank you for the wise& thoughtful comment. SAD!
iinii Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 18 hours ago, PUNT750 said: Without Incognito the Bills OL has no push and no nastiness. Dawkins has regressed without Richie next door and Groy, who replaced Wood last season due to injury, can't even start anymore. All over about $3.5 mil in yearly cash earnings for a 3 time All-Pro who started all 49 games in that time period for the Bills. He was a physical & emotional leader. No wonder Richie has had some freak-out sessions after his forced retirement! Crazy for the Bills and him! Richie was culture?
row_33 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 6 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: We’d probably be 4-0 with him.. ? they should call their bookie and demand payment on the Bills going 4-0 on the spread so far.
H2o Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 I say we show up at his gym dressed like Agent Smith from The Matrix and stare at him from across the room while acting like we're talking into a mic in our jacket.
Thurman#1 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 20 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Did EJ play at a Pro-Bowl level for 3 years? I don't understand the comparison. The comparison is based on the fact that loyalty should in no way be based on how well you play. It's based on how long you've been there and whether you gave everything you could and whether you yourself have been loyal. Are you loyal to your friends only if they've been successful in life? Were the Chargers loyal to Drew Brees when he was injured even though he's performed extremely well for them? Were the Skins loyal to Kirk Cousins when he wildly overperformed as a 4th rounder? How many thousand other examples could anyone with the slightest bit of interest find? Loyalty exists in pro football, but it's only expected within certain bounds. Teams aren't expected to be loyal to guys who - like Richie - can no longer produce. Were the Bills loyal to Peerless Price, who had produced extremely well for them? A history of production means squat. Teams trade productive players if they think they can do better, and they cut productive guys if they're going to be too expensive to keep. Loyalty in football is honored in the breach. It's a lovely idea. People go on about it. And between the players and coach within one season, it means something. But in terms of personnel decisions and salary negotiations and holding out and all the rest of it ... when it counts, in other words ... it means nothing. And everyone knows it.
Thurman#1 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) On 10/3/2018 at 11:43 AM, Sky Diver said: What was compassionate about the way the Bills treated Richie and where did you get the impression that I supported blind loyalty? Loyalty is a two way street. I know exactly what the Bills did and I think it was wrong. Business doesn’t have to be cold blooded. In fact, being cold blooded is probably bad business. The Bears certainly don’t appear to be a cold blooded organization. https://www.google.com/amp/s/bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/06/04/chicago-bears-tight-end-zach-miller-contract-injury/amp/ Not sure what this discussion has to do with the Crimson Tide. This is the wrong forum to discuss college football. Oh, yeah, the Bears are way way warm-blooded and gooey where personnel moves are concerned. They make loyalty their #1 concern. That's why they handled the Matt Forte situation the way they did. They honored a guy who was the face of the franchise, a guy who left his blood and guts on the field every week, a pillar of the Bears by deciding not to try to re-sign him. You could see their loyalty very very clearly from the statement when they announced they were not going to re-sign him they said, " "Matt is one of the all-time great Bears and did an excellent job for us on and off the field last season." That's loyalty. Just about makes me cry, that powerful commitment to doing right by Forte. Your argument isn't just not winnable, it's plain stupid. Sure, if the cost of loyalty is minimal, then yeah, teams will be loyal. They'll bring back a Thurman or a Freddie Jackson for a symbolic one-day contract. Or the Bears might do what they did in your link, pay Miller $458K when they have $10 mill in salary cap space and at the same time keep his rights in case he actually recovers. Sure, small gestures? Yeah, if it doesn't hurt the team. What they did was not unclassy. But it also wasn't a big enough gesture to affect the team much at all. 20 hours ago, Sky Diver said: He was a bargain for his three years of All-Pro play. It would have been fair and reasonable to reward him by maintaining his salary. $3.5M is chump change. We wasted that on Coleman. Penny wise, pound foolish. Nonsense. $3.5 mill isn't chump change to this team. It's almost half of what we have left under the cap to sign injury replacements. Did the Bears sign Zach Miller for $3.5 mill? Or was it about a tenth of that, about a twentieth of their cap room? And Miller was hurt playing for the Bears whereas whatever issues Richie has, the Bills have no measurable responsibility for. If we paid $3.5 mill a year to do nothing to everybody who had been a cap bargain for us, we'd be a laughingstock. And continue our Whaley-led recent history of cap irresponsibility. Edited October 4, 2018 by Thurman#1
row_33 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 He was a project and played well and that’s over.
Sky Diver Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Oh, yeah, the Bears are way way warm-blooded and gooey where personnel moves are concerned. They make loyalty their #1 concern. That's why they handled the Matt Forte situation the way they did. They honored a guy who was the face of the franchise, a guy who left his blood and guts on the field every week, a pillar of the Bears by deciding not to try to re-sign him. You could see their loyalty very very clearly from the statement when they announced they were not going to re-sign him they said, " "Matt is one of the all-time great Bears and did an excellent job for us on and off the field last season." That's loyalty. Just about makes me cry, that powerful commitment to doing right by Forte. Your argument isn't just not winnable, it's plain stupid. Sure, if the cost of loyalty is minimal, then yeah, teams will be loyal. They'll bring back a Thurman or a Freddie Jackson for a symbolic one-day contract. Or the Bears might do what they did in your link, pay Miller $458K when they have $10 mill in salary cap space and at the same time keep his rights in case he actually recovers. Sure, small gestures? Yeah, if it doesn't hurt the team. What they did was not unclassy. But it also wasn't a big enough gesture to affect the team much at all. Nonsense. $3.5 mill isn't chump change to this team. It's almost half of what we have left under the cap to sign injury replacements. Did the Bears sign Zach Miller for $3.5 mill? Or was it about a tenth of that, about a twentieth of their cap room? And Miller was hurt playing for the Bears whereas whatever issues Richie has, the Bills have no measurable responsibility for. If we paid $3.5 mill a year to do nothing to everybody who had been a cap bargain for us, we'd be a laughingstock. And continue our Whaley-led recent history of cap irresponsibility. Richie played 3 yrs at an All-Pro level for a bargain price. He was still capable of playing at a high level. The Bills shouldn’t have asked him to take a huge paycut. $3.5M on the roll of the dice with Coleman was stupid. I’d rather have seen that money go to Richie as a reward for his service. I believe that if we don’t cut his salary he’s would still be on the team and we would be far better off. I don’t see any connection here with Forte. 1
JMF2006 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 I thought the OP said Ritchie has missed.............I thought maybe he was throwing weights around again
row_33 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 57 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Richie played 3 yrs at an All-Pro level for a bargain price. He was still capable of playing at a high level. The Bills shouldn’t have asked him to take a huge paycut. $3.5M on the roll of the dice with Coleman was stupid. I’d rather have seen that money go to Richie as a reward for his service. I believe that if we don’t cut his salary he’s would still be on the team and we would be far better off. I don’t see any connection here with Forte. are You watching how the NFL is squeezing out good players over new contracts?
Sky Diver Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 Just now, row_33 said: are You watching how the NFL is squeezing out good players over new contracts? That’s not very good for fans. The NFL is destroying itself.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 7:32 PM, DCBongo said: I always like Richie and loved it when the Bills brought he back. He was doing funny videos for them last year. But this year something snapped and I don't care he is not playing football. I want him to get professional help and move on to what could be a good TV career. I wish the guys we had could play with some attitude... without the crazy. So I’m spending probably way too much time watching all-22 and here’s the crazy thing. There are running plays - every game - where we make it work. Not big killer plays, but steady diet 7, 4, 5 yds, move the chains. It isn’t “Incognito’s House of Pancakes” but we win or draw every battle. We could move the chains and push down the field. We have pass plays where Allen has time. We also have running plays where I’m pleading with people who know more to tell me WTF is that supposed to be because it’s so AFU I can’t even tell what the blocking was supposed to look like if it worked, and pass plays where either some of our guys get beaten like drums or the protection is obviously screwed (how do you miss blocking TWO linebackers up the middle?) So it’s not just that we’re incapable of doing it. Sometimes we do it! But it’s not consistent. And in my opinion, a lot of it is coaching. How about, don’t expect Mills to block Clay Matthews 1:1? He can’t do it. Whatever it takes - agility, speed, technique - he ain’t got it. So don’t ask him to. If that’s where Matthews lines up, change the protections and get that guy some help. (It’s not as if every GB LB is a terror, most of the others Lee can handle). If cut blocks leave our guys sprawling on the ground with defenders hurdling them 8 of 10 times, stop asking them to cut block. And so forth. That’s really what preseason is supposed to be for - figure out what your guys can actually do, and then ask them to do that and not to do stuff they can’t. Put them in positions to succeed. For whatever reason, it’s like the last 4 games have been preseason, figuring out what our guys can actually do, and often putting them in positions where they’re asked to do things they can’t. IMO part of Richie’s outburst was he wasn’t that thrilled playing for Castillo - rumor has it Juan is good for developing rookies, but that he expects veterans to remodel their technique and do it his way Or Else, and he wants them to do stuff that’s hard on the body like cut block. I think Richie expected him to be gone and someone more Kromer-like brought in when Dennison got the axe. Well, I did too. 2
row_33 Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 41 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: That’s not very good for fans. The NFL is destroying itself. What is the goal of the league and owners? i believe it is maximizing the value of every franchise QBs are the only players who are unique and helpful to winning, RBs are a dime a dozen but used to be vital owners have wisened up to stop handing out huge contracts that rarely pan out, Stafford was a last straw.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 7:40 PM, COTC said: The team and his agent back stabbed him big time to the point of his current condition. That bridge is burnt. Because agents backstab their clients to zero compensation (for the agent)? Give me a Break. Yes, the bridge is burnt
Starr Almighty Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Because agents backstab their clients to zero compensation (for the agent)? Give me a Break. Yes, the bridge is burnt Not to mention after this so called backstabbing he still had to sign the contract ( maybe the agent had him at gun point) I mean he did backstab him why stop there
blacklabel Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 8:21 PM, PUNT750 said: Without Incognito the Bills OL has no push and no nastiness. Dawkins has regressed without Richie next door and Groy, who replaced Wood last season due to injury, can't even start anymore. All over about $3.5 mil in yearly cash earnings for a 3 time All-Pro who started all 49 games in that time period for the Bills. He was a physical & emotional leader. No wonder Richie has had some freak-out sessions after his forced retirement! Crazy for the Bills and him! Oh boo hoo hoo. The dude made his choices. He didn't have to sign off on that pay-cut, but he did, then two weeks later he got a wild hair up his ass and fired his agents and decided he didn't want the pay cut so he asked for his release and was granted it.
Sky Diver Posted October 4, 2018 Posted October 4, 2018 44 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Oh boo hoo hoo. The dude made his choices. He didn't have to sign off on that pay-cut, but he did, then two weeks later he got a wild hair up his ass and fired his agents and decided he didn't want the pay cut so he asked for his release and was granted it. We would be watching a better product if Richie was on the field. Boo boo for us.
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