Owners with Conservative/Defensive Minded Coaches have some SOUL SEARCHING to do.

[RochesterRob]

  People talk as though getting an offensive minded coach is as easy as getting one off of the shelf at Walmart.  Further, you have to have one that is not just a flavor of the month choice where defenses catch up to it in short order.  I'm thinking about the NBA and how teams started countering Shaq with the "hack a Shaq" strategy.  Guys like Belichick are not going to allow a division rival to blow the doors off of them twice a year.  Offensive poor teams will employ disposable defensive players to carry out "hits" on key opposing offensive players to take them out of a game.  

[BillsFan2313]

23 minutes ago, Haze_21 said:

He is playing much better. i still think he is a limited qb but he is in a great system and can use his legs to open things up.

 

People on this board really have a hard time saying someone is a good player

[SoTier]

7 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said:

McDermott has stated numerous times you can’t win 9 to 7 in today’s NFL. They understand this but it also means you can still and try to stop them. 

 

Who cares what McDermott says when he doesn't address serious issues on offense with any kind of urgency???  McDermott and Beane knew after the season opener against Baltimore that Peterman wasn't good enough to be the backup QB, but they waited for a month to finally sign someone better -- and they dragged a guy out of retirement who hadn't thrown a pass in the NFL in a couple of years.  During that period, I think that the only other QB they brought in for a try out was Paxton Lynch.    Contrast with the Redskins who were scrambling to find a veteran backup QB within hours of Alex Smith's season ending injury.

 

2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

We just have to be patient. 

 

Bowles will likely be fired at the end of this season so the Jets will be a year ahead of us in switching to an offensive head coach. Hopefully they get a dud. 

 

McDermott will eventually be fired by not this off-season. But probably by the end of next season.

 

Why should "we" -- ie, the fans -- be "patient"?  What will we get for our "patience" except the same bull manure that the Bills have foisted on their fans since 2001?  Terry Pegula doesn't appear any more interested in winning football games than Ralph Wilson was. 

[billsfan89]

If the Bills drafts pan out (which the early returns on 2017 look really good and the early returns of 2018 aren't bad either) then I think the team will be just fine. The Bills have not had a regime truly good at drafting in a long time. I do agree the trend in coaching is towards offensive minded coaching systems. But if McBeane can draft well they will be able to find solid coordinators to work with good talent. 

[LSHMEAB]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

 

Neither. If they miss the playoffs they'll have to go back to the drawing board and identify what the problems are.

 

And, BTW, McDermott is also not on the hot seat, like many fans want. McDermott's job, at this time, is just as safe as Pederson's.

 

 

So we grade the Bills on a curve and that's acceptable? 9-7 in Buffalo is the equivalent of a freaking SUPERBOWL in Philly?

 

I hate low expectations.

[OldTimer1960]

On 10/2/2018 at 2:53 PM, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Eagles invested heavily in Trading up for Carson Wentz.  Spent that off season building and Offensive Coaching Room...Wentz now thriving.

 

Los Angeles Rams invested 1st Overall Pick in Jared Goff.  Shortly after fired their Defensive Minded Head Coach (Jeff Fisher).  Brought in young Offensive guy in Sean McVay...Goff now thriving.

 

Chicago Bears invested heavily in trading up for Mitch Trubisky.  Shortly after fired their Defensive Minded Head Coach (John Fox).  Brought in Offensive Guy in Matt Nagy...Trubisky now thriving.

 

 

Buffalo Bills and New York Jets invested heavily in trading up for Josh Allen and Sam Darnold.  And they will do what with their DEFENSIVE MINDED HEAD COACHES after their Young QBs struggle in 2018???

Bill Belichick would like to remind us that he has done alright as a defensive minded HC.

[MJS]

2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

So we grade the Bills on a curve and that's acceptable? 9-7 in Buffalo is the equivalent of a freaking SUPERBOWL in Philly?

 

I hate low expectations.

 

Not at all. Past success does not guarantee you safety in sustained failure. If Pederson sucks for a couple of years, he'll get fired. Same with McDermott. Same with almost every coach. There are a couple that probably would be immune, such as Belichick.

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

3 hours ago, SoTier said:

Why should "we" -- ie, the fans -- be "patient"?  What will we get for our "patience" except the same bull manure that the Bills have foisted on their fans since 2001?  Terry Pegula doesn't appear any more interested in winning football games than Ralph Wilson was. 

 

Being patient is the only option. Well, besides rooting for another team. What are you going to do?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...not sure how defensive minded coaches have become passe'.......I'm looking at it from the ongoing state of decline regarding the NFL QB spot, particularly over the last decade+.....Rodgers and Luck (oh wait, "he's done") are probably the two best to be drafted......and then a huge gap between them and probably Wilson, Watson and now Mahomes hitting his stride....so realistically three (a 3rd and two 1sts) out of how many?.....the Class of 2018 has a long, long way to go before even entering into the discussion.....certainly rules changes favor offenses because it sells (last night was Air Coryell remake)..so it would seem to favor a defensive approach with diluted talent at the QB spot......would be interesting to see the MNF ratings for last night once non-watchers caught on and tuned in.....

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Bill Belichick would like to remind us that he has done alright as a defensive minded HC.

 

Belichick is a master of adaptability and around 2006-07 began seeing a need for his teams to be more offensive focused.  No one has been more flexible about de-prioritizing defense and getting players on the offensive side of the ball.

[iinii]

On 10/2/2018 at 1:58 PM, jahnyc said:

The Daboll hire was critical to get right.  It will be interesting to see if he can work well with Allen and help his development.

A lot hinges on that very move. 

[reddogblitz]

17 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Belichick is a master of adaptability and around 2006-07 began seeing a need for his teams to be more offensive focused.  No one has been more flexible about de-prioritizing defense and getting players on the offensive side of the ball.

 

I'm not so sure about this.  They fielded a top 5 Defense last year.

[billsfan1959]

7 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Lol. We weren't even close to good as the Eagles last year or this year. I'd friggin love to have a Superbowl hangover team some day.

Right. If we won the Super Bowl last year, were currently 4-6, struggling on both sides of the ball, and just came off a 48-7 loss that wasn't even as close as the final score - you would be clamoring for somebody to be fired.

 

LOL

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

33 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Right. If we won the Super Bowl last year, were currently 4-6, struggling on both sides of the ball, and just came off a 48-7 loss that wasn't even as close as the final score - you would be clamoring for somebody to be fired.

 

LOL

 

It's called intellectual dishonesty. Lotta people here practice it religiously

 

 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

8 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

Not that confusing, nor is it a false choice. It also was not about whether a Super Bowl win was better than a Wild Card loss. Most of us understand that - but, thank you for pointing out the obvious.

 

The point was that I have heard over and over about how McDermott should be fired for taking a “playoff” team and turning it into a 3-7 team with some embarrassing losses. I have also heard from those same posters how Pederson is a shining example of what we need. Well, Pederson has taken a Super Bowl winning team and turned it into a 4-6 team with some embarrassing losses - like the one this past week. Some might argue Pederson’s failure this year might be more egregious due to the superior talent he has to work with. Just looking for a little consistency...

 

First, who has said McDermott needs to be fired BECAUSE of the difference between last year and this year? Completely fabricated premise. But ok, even if that were true, it's not inconsistent to judge Mcdermott more harshly because the offense is historically bad and the blowouts didn't start this year and have come more frequently. 

 

[Heitz]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

Right. If we won the Super Bowl last year, were currently 4-6, struggling on both sides of the ball, and just came off a 48-7 loss that wasn't even as close as the final score - you would be clamoring for somebody to be fired.

 

LOL

 

"I mean, I know we won the Super Bowl last year - but it's the 11th game of this season and we haven't won the SB again THIS year!  Clappy McDumb Pegulia sux!"

 

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

First, who has said McDermott needs to be fired BECAUSE of the difference between last year and this year? Completely fabricated premise. But ok, even if that were true, it's not inconsistent to judge Mcdermott more harshly because the offense is historically bad and the blowouts didn't start this year and have come more frequently. 

 

There have been plenty of posts on this board demanding McDermott be fired and CLEARLY stating, as a primary reason, what he has done with a "playoff" team. If you choose to believe those posts were never written, feel free. Leaving that aside, you say, even if it were true, McDermott should be judged more harshly because of the nature of the offense and more blowouts? Seriously? The coach should be fired because his 29th or 30th ranked offense from last year (that managed a grand 3 points in the playoff loss) is worse in a rebuilding year, playing, to date, the 3rd hardest schedule (DVOA of opponents)? Yet, a coach with Super Bowl winning talent on his team, whose offense has dropped from 7th to 19th, whose defense dropped from 4th to 23rd, whose team has been embarrassed on the field, and whose record, in a weak division and playing the 21st hardest schedule, is one win better than the rebuilding Bills shouldn't be judged as harshly? 

 

Let me be clear. I think it is absolutely asinine to think either one should be fired. At least I'm consistent.

[GreggTX]

I think this whole 'death of the defenses' thing is overblown. The rate of scoring in the NFL has actually made TD's seem a bit less exciting except for the Bills. They need to bring back the bump and run to save the game IMO. It's just not as fun to watch as it was when I was young. The challenge is gone with teams regularly scoring 40 and even 50 points in a single game. Yawn...

[Mr. WEO]

Pegula is too busy looking for that "black figurehead" with a bandaid to be out searching for his soul....

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, Chemical said:

 

... it's not inconsistent to judge Mcdermott more harshly because the offense is historically bad and the blowouts didn't start this year and have come more frequently. 

 

 

 

You don't judge a HEAD coach by his offense. You judge him by his offense ... and his defense ... and his special teams. That's why he's the head coach and not the OC.

 

You also need to understand that rebuilds are going to suck, and yeah, this is a rebuild. The Pegulas know, just as they knew there would be screaming and howling from people with no patience or perspective.

 

 

10 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Who cares what McDermott says when he doesn't address serious issues on offense with any kind of urgency???  McDermott and Beane knew after the season opener against Baltimore that Peterman wasn't good enough to be the backup QB, but they waited for a month to finally sign someone better -- and they dragged a guy out of retirement who hadn't thrown a pass in the NFL in a couple of years.  During that period, I think that the only other QB they brought in for a try out was Paxton Lynch.    Contrast with the Redskins who were scrambling to find a veteran backup QB within hours of Alex Smith's season ending injury.

 

 

Why should "we" -- ie, the fans -- be "patient"?  What will we get for our "patience" except the same bull manure that the Bills have foisted on their fans since 2001?  Terry Pegula doesn't appear any more interested in winning football games than Ralph Wilson was. 

 

 

What we're getting here this year is sure not pleasant. 

 

But it's also not what we've been getting since 2001. The problem for most of the time since 2001 has been a consistent belief that we were close and didn't need to rebuild. A feeling that Bills fans would hang in there through a bunch more five, six or seven win seasons. We DIDN'T rebuild much through those awful years. 

 

We're rebuilding now. It's very very different. But yeah, painful. But at least this pain has a purpose, more so than yet another seven-win season with a mediocre lineup and no QB and no chance of getting a good one unless we stumbled on a Brady or a Wilson or a Brees further down in the draft.

 

That's why we should be patient. Not being patient hurts only yourself. It's your own blood pressure that is the only thing affected. Either way they're going through with this till they see if Beane and McDermott have done well a couple of years down the road when you can begin to judge.

 

Edited November 21, 2018 by Thurman#1

[BillsVet]

6 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I'm not so sure about this.  They fielded a top 5 Defense last year.

 

By which metric?  

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense/year/2017

 

29th in yards allowed / 30th in yards passing allowed / 20th in rushing yards allowed / 5th in points allowed / 11th in turnover differential (+7) / t-18th in sacks (35) / t-28th in INTs (8) / 29th in fumble recoveries (4) 

 

So yes, by points allowed they were up there.  I guess their RZ defense was better than I thought given the yards allowed.  Especially considering they weren't adept at creating turnovers.