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32 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Because one is a coach and the other is the general manager. Do you need a link for that?

You have no clue what is happening. Too the point because of crap acquisitions, questionable draft moves. 

inability  to identify huge needs and actually do something about it. Torching money on Coleman, wtc. Beane may be the first to go?

That decision one would guess is made by ownership. As for those two not being "tied together" You're the first with that babble.

NO one anywhere has said that. 

 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

We need Jim Bob Cooter as HC. 

[Wagon Circler]

On 10/2/2018 at 3:09 PM, Wayne Arnold said:

McDermott’s seat will get very hot if Allen continues looking like a train wreck. Likely won’t see 2019 if that’s the case. Too many bright young offensive football minds out there.

It's McDermott's fault if Allen stinks?

 

[HardyBoy]

Bill Belichick has had the best offense in the league how many times?

 

Hot takes everywhere...do you have any data to back up that offensive coaches have better offenses, or are you just spewing hot takes? 

 

Every team you named stocked cap space and draft picks the year of the qbs rookie year and took advantage of their qbs rookie contact and stocked up big time.

 

By the way, every single last one of those qbs was underwhelming to say the least their rookie year, or did not play. 

 

Sorry, it's just not a logical point, but well written and interesting to think about.

[CookieG]

On 10/3/2018 at 9:21 AM, Wayne Arnold said:

 

McDermott and Beane aren’t exactly tied together - contrary to popular belief. If things go very bad this season, we could see Beane getting his opportunity to hire the new HC (for the first time).

I could see Beane going before McD.  It depends on how much say McD has on personnel decisions. But McD looks better as a coach than Beane looks as a GM.

 

A top flight OC will be needed, but the situation is more than that.

 

Its going to take a guru on the offensive end to be in the front office with enough persuasion/pull to make the right decisions.

 

Whether McD or Beane on the offensive talent side, based on who they passed on, who they let go and who they brought in over 2 years.....they don't have an eye for it.  Some have the talent to evaluate offense, some have it for defense, a very few have it for both.

 

The guy will not only need a talent for offensive talent seeking, he's going to be the guy that says, "we need this center (or guard, or right tackle or whatever) MORE than we need that DE you want to spell Murphy". he's going to have to keep them in focus.

 

Will they find such a guy?  They should, I'd say its mandatory.  Will it happen?  Good question.  These guys to seem to have a pretty good opinion of themselves, and there is no reason they should, not when it comes to the offense.

 

But $100 million in cap or not, if they don't, you're looking at best, to a Jeff Fisher environment where offense always takes the back seat and you're 9-7 in a good year. At worst, its a Jauron situation or worse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma would be my choice if they were to fire McDermott (unlikely I know).  It may take two years and I don't know if he'd want to leave Oklahoma for Buffalo.  His offensive scheme in Oklahoma is impressive and he's only 35 years old if your looking to try and find a McVay type.  Whether his college success will translate into the NFL is a risk, but I'd rather have a young offensive mind as a head coach in today's NFL.  I think McDermott gets at least one more year, but if Allen continues to struggle Pegula should give Allen at least one more chance with a different coaching staff.

[atlbillsfan1975]

On 10/2/2018 at 3:09 PM, HappyDays said:

I think the bigger thing those franchises did is they spent a ton of money on offense in the QB's sophomore seasons. Presumably that is our plan for next year too. But it all depends on Allen developing.

I don’t think it depends on Allen developing. I think they will invest in the offense this off season regardless. Then myself and others will know what we really have in Allen.

[ALF]

Lets hope Derek Anderson can help coach Allen. My first choice would have been Josh McCowan, jury still out on Daboll. Culley is a mystery to me.

[zow2]

I’m tired of hearing that Mahomes and Goff have all these amazing weapons.  Sure, they have guys.  But when pressured, Goff is dropping dimes into the bucket so to speak, sometimes no window at all.  Mahomes is running for his life half the time and has been throwing extremely accurately on the run. 

If Allen doesn’t have the talent to make some kind of plays with his arm, the talent and coach around him won’t get him over the hump.  

Edited October 13, 2018 by zow2

[stuvian]

Belichick is a defensive coach. What more needs to be said?

[Wayne Arnold]

11 hours ago, Wagon Circler said:

 

It's McDermott's fault if Allen stinks?

 

In part, yes.

[mrags]

On 10/2/2018 at 2:58 PM, jahnyc said:

The Daboll hire was critical to get right.  It will be interesting to see if he can work well with Allen and help his development.

Unfortunately Daboll is a loser generally and will not amount to anything. It’ll be interesting to see if they keep him after this season and having the worst offense in football. 

 

I have high high hopes for Allen but not with that fat bald piece of crap in charge of the offense. 

On 10/3/2018 at 10:37 AM, CountDorkula said:

OK, with all the cap, who are the players they are going to bring in?

 

Overpaying for average players doesn't make you better. It puts you in cap hell.

What WR's are worth it?

what OL are worth it?

 

All the extra picks are in the 4th rd plus. I wouldn't call this organized as much as I would hoping for miracles.

4th rd plus is hoping to get lucky.

 

Again, who are the players that they are going to bring in.

 

just because they have all this money does not mean they can just go buy a #1 WR of the shelf. There needs to be one available and they have to want to come here. 

 

The two best WR that will be on the market next year.

Dog Baldwin and Randall Cobb. Are they worth paying 10MM+ for?

Isn’t Julio Jones going to be a FA next year? 

[Wayne Arnold]

9 hours ago, CookieG said:

 

I could see Beane going before McD.  It depends on how much say McD has on personnel decisions. But McD looks better as a coach than Beane looks as a GM.

 

Good luck ever finding a competent/qualified General Manager if that ever happens.

[Fadingpain]

IMO, a defensive coordinator for a HC is not the right move in 2018 and beyond.  It's backward and yesterday, not tomorrow.

 

Not having a cutting edge offensive minded HC hurts the team, as does our ridiculous reluctance to rely on data to make critical in-game judgment calls in terms of going for it on 4th down, when to punt instead, when to try a FG, when to challenge and what to challenge, when to go for 2 (that should be done almost always) and so on.

 

There is an advantage to be gained right now in the NFL by being ahead of the curve, and yet we throw that advantage in the toilet with a lot of other teams.

 

In 5 or 10 years everyone will be caught up and doing that stuff, so the advantage will be gone.  

 

It irks me that we don't make use of it now, while we can.

 

 

[Logic]

Man, you know what defense-minded head coaches did terrible with rookie QBs?

Bill Belichick and Ron Rivera. Absolutely RUINED Tom Brady and Cam Newton. 

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Edited October 13, 2018 by Logic

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

On 10/2/2018 at 2:53 PM, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Eagles invested heavily in Trading up for Carson Wentz.  Spent that off season building and Offensive Coaching Room...Wentz now thriving.

 

Los Angeles Rams invested 1st Overall Pick in Jared Goff.  Shortly after fired their Defensive Minded Head Coach (Jeff Fisher).  Brought in young Offensive guy in Sean McVay...Goff now thriving.

 

Chicago Bears invested heavily in trading up for Mitch Trubisky.  Shortly after fired their Defensive Minded Head Coach (John Fox).  Brought in Offensive Guy in Matt Nagy...Trubisky now thriving.

 

 

Buffalo Bills and New York Jets invested heavily in trading up for Josh Allen and Sam Darnold.  And they will do what with their DEFENSIVE MINDED HEAD COACHES after their Young QBs struggle in 2018???

 

I don't think it matters at all to be honest, that's what your OC and QB coach are for. Bill Belichick, Marvin Lewis, Ron Rivera, Pete Carroll (actually started his career as the Bills DB Coach), Zimmer, Dan Quinn and the list goes on, only Quinn hasn't developed a QB from this list all other defensive minded coaches have, oh and Zimmer although he did wonders with Case Keenum.

[BillsVet]

19 minutes ago, Logic said:

Man, you know what defense-minded head coaches did terrible with rookie QBs?

Bill Belichick and Ron Rivera. Absolutely RUINED Tom Brady and Cam Newton. 

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The game in 2001 and 2011 when those 2 QBs became starters has evolved considerably.  The RTP and PI penalties principally affect how defenses can take on a passing offense. In NE, Belichick didn't need Brady to be much more than efficient those first couple years until he developed. And Newton is a totally different player who actually had some offensive talent around him as a rookie and 2nd year player, especially their OL.  

 

McCoach, like most defensive guys, went defense heavy his first 2 off-season and now the offense stinks. He has no one to blame but himself for going the opposite way to success.  

 

[CookieG]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Good luck ever finding a competent/qualified General Manager if that ever happens.

McDermott hired Beane, not the other way around.

 

That's how the power structure is with these two.

 

But to take your thought a little further and reversing it, good luck finding a quality, offense minded head coach to work for Beane.

 

Not with the collection of talent he's acquired on offense in the past 2 years.

[Jpsredemption]

The only thing that could potentially salvage Allen and even that is a long shot would be a young offensive minded coach. 

 

Unfortunately that is not going to happen, Allen probably won't work out and the franchise will now begin another drought.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...so who at the end of the day has MORE authority in this organization, McDermott or McBeane?......despite some exceptions (Andy Reid who is HC, GM and Director of Personnel and even has GOD reporting to HIM), isn't the NFL tradition with GM as the guy in charge, working in close collaboration with his HC (execept of course for Tom "Terrific" Donohole, the control freak)?......why would McBeane stick around long term if he is the dog being wagged with McDermott controlling the tail?......if he is in "resume' building mode" and books, how many GM candidates would welcome being the "wagged dog"?....just curious.............