fridge Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: The track record was certainly not there. It was a middling hire at best and uninspired. It's worse than middling. Daboll has flamed out three times majorly as an NFL OC. I'm not sure how many guys get a fourth opportunity. If/when he fails here, I would be absolutely shocked if he got another chance.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 11 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Eagles invested heavily in Trading up for Carson Wentz. Spent that off season building and Offensive Coaching Room...Wentz now thriving. Los Angeles Rams invested 1st Overall Pick in Jared Goff. Shortly after fired their Defensive Minded Head Coach (Jeff Fisher). Brought in young Offensive guy in Sean McVay...Goff now thriving. Chicago Bears invested heavily in trading up for Mitch Trubisky. Shortly after fired their Defensive Minded Head Coach (John Fox). Brought in Offensive Guy in Matt Nagy...Trubisky now thriving. Buffalo Bills and New York Jets invested heavily in trading up for Josh Allen and Sam Darnold. And they will do what with their DEFENSIVE MINDED HEAD COACHES after their Young QBs struggle in 2018??? they should have done it this season but will do it next season.
GunnerBill Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 12 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Kyle Shanahan? Was that closest we got to a young Offensive mind? That was what before Gailey or Marrone was hired? Interviewed Kyle pre Rex. The Pegulas really didn't like him according to reports at the time.
ganesh Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 12 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: It’s certsinly an interesting thought. I’ve always banged the table for a young offensive minded coach. We did get Nate and he was terrible while in Buffalo.
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 13 hours ago, jahnyc said: The Daboll hire was critical to get right. It will be interesting to see if he can work well with Allen and help his development. Absolutely terrible hire that will stunt Josh Allens growth. The guy is worthless
Mango Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 13 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Would you say Allen is more important to the franchise then McDermott? if there is a pyramid (not counting owners) how does it start at the top and then work it’s wY down? 1.) Allen 2.) McDermott 3.) Bean 4.) White 5.) Edmunds and if you agree with Allen being hire up than McDermott than anything to help Allen is greater than any loyalty to McDermott? This needs to to be clarified. Order of importance for the franchise to perform for the future, or right now. Weve heavily invested in Allen. He needs to pan out. If McD and Beane are good at their jobs he will. If they are bad at their jobs he won’t. Because the franchise traded/invested so many assets into acquiring him, they need to protect that investment. Which means that Beane and McD become expendable in that scenario.
papazoid Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 2018 = +$50 mil in dead money = tank 2019 = +$100 mil in cap space = fixes a lot of holes
DCBills_OG Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 16 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Eagles invested heavily in Trading up for Carson Wentz. Spent that off season building and Offensive Coaching Room...Wentz now thriving. Los Angeles Rams invested 1st Overall Pick in Jared Goff. Shortly after fired their Defensive Minded Head Coach (Jeff Fisher). Brought in young Offensive guy in Sean McVay...Goff now thriving. Chicago Bears invested heavily in trading up for Mitch Trubisky. Shortly after fired their Defensive Minded Head Coach (John Fox). Brought in Offensive Guy in Matt Nagy...Trubisky now thriving. Buffalo Bills and New York Jets invested heavily in trading up for Josh Allen and Sam Darnold. And they will do what with their DEFENSIVE MINDED HEAD COACHES after their Young QBs struggle in 2018??? Aside from last week's blowout against a horrible Tampa Bay Defense with lots of turnovers.....Trubisky's play had been horrible...maybe mediocre here and there.... the first three games. Would definitely not say he has been thriving.....
Hebert19 Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 No. What you need is a creative OC. Those creative OCs are the next offensive minded head coaches. Daboll isn't that.
Wayne Arnold Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 14 hours ago, BillsFan692 said: Id bet money Mcdermott already told the pegulas this season was going to be a bust. There is no way anything that happens this season will get him fired in my opinion. Imagine you and I walking into our respective bosses’ offices later this morning and telling him/her that the next year our work production will suck...and somehow expecting that to result in job security.
ganesh Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Mango said: This needs to to be clarified. Order of importance for the franchise to perform for the future, or right now. Weve heavily invested in Allen. He needs to pan out. If McD and Beane are good at their jobs he will. If they are bad at their jobs he won’t. Because the franchise traded/invested so many assets into acquiring him, they need to protect that investment. Which means that Beane and McD become expendable in that scenario. If they did then this team will continue in its endless spin as the incoming regime will then want their own QB (Losman, Manuel all saw the same fate). The Pegulas have to give Bean and McDermott another 2 years to build this team around the current pieces (Allen, Dawkins on Offense and the entire rebuilt defense). They need BETTER COACHING ! 2
nucci Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 16 hours ago, BillsFan692 said: Id bet money Mcdermott already told the pegulas this season was going to be a bust. There is no way anything that happens this season will get him fired in my opinion. "Hey Boss, I'm going to do a crappy job this year...but don't fire me...i'll promise I'll do better in a couple of years" 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 2 hours ago, DCBills_OG said: Aside from last week's blowout against a horrible Tampa Bay Defense with lots of turnovers.....Trubisky's play had been horrible...maybe mediocre here and there.... the first three games. Would definitely not say he has been thriving..... Yeah - thriving to the tune of sub 200 yards passing, and 2 TDs and 3 picks through week 3. That teams been all defense. Less than a hundred on the ground every week, tons of sacks, takeaways, and even 2 defensive TDs. 1 minute ago, nucci said: "Hey Boss, I'm going to do a crappy job this year...but don't fire me...i'll promise I'll do better in a couple of years" I assume Beane was there and they indicated a few things. 1 - we're rebuilding and a lot of this season will be based on evaluating players 2 - we have a massive dead cap number, and probably the worst roster in the league 3 - all of that dead money is money that was already paid to players, so we probably have the cheapest roster in the league 4 - we will likely turn a higher profit than the previous year due to paying out less in player salaries and signing bonuses 5 - we have a lot of draft picks, and a lot of cap space to make moves to address holes in 2019 1
nucci Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, dneveu said: . I assume Beane was there and they indicated a few things. 1 - we're rebuilding and a lot of this season will be based on evaluating players 2 - we have a massive dead cap number, and probably the worst roster in the league 3 - all of that dead money is money that was already paid to players, so we probably have the cheapest roster in the league 4 - we will likely turn a higher profit than the previous year due to paying out less in player salaries and signing bonuses 5 - we have a lot of draft picks, and a lot of cap space to make moves to address holes in 2019 I know...just having fun...still if I was Pegula I wouldn't be happy going from a 9-7 playoff team to what we've seen so far
Wayne Arnold Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, ganesh said: If they did then this team will continue in its endless spin as the incoming regime will then want their own QB (Losman, Manuel all saw the same fate). The Pegulas have to give Bean and McDermott another 2 years to build this team around the current pieces (Allen, Dawkins on Offense and the entire rebuilt defense). They need BETTER COACHING ! McDermott and Beane aren’t exactly tied together - contrary to popular belief. If things go very bad this season, we could see Beane getting his opportunity to hire the new HC (for the first time).
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, nucci said: I know...just having fun...still if I was Pegula I wouldn't be happy going from a 9-7 playoff team to what we've seen so far Yeah - bottom line is we're probably spinning a higher profit this year, and going into the next year with more cap space as well as actual dollars to spend.
Best Player Available Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: McDermott and Beane aren’t exactly tied together - contrary to popular belief. If things go very bad this season, we could see Beane getting his opportunity to hire the new HC (for the first time). Curious how you inow this? Gotta link?
Wayne Arnold Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Best Player Available said: Curious how you inow this? Gotta link? Because one is a coach and the other is the general manager. Do you need a link for that?
CountDorkula Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 19 hours ago, Direhard Fan said: No receivers. No line. Never planned on Allen being the guy this year. What did you expect? Loaded for next year with cap and picks. Plan or not? OK, with all the cap, who are the players they are going to bring in? Overpaying for average players doesn't make you better. It puts you in cap hell. What WR's are worth it? what OL are worth it? All the extra picks are in the 4th rd plus. I wouldn't call this organized as much as I would hoping for miracles. 4th rd plus is hoping to get lucky. 5 hours ago, papazoid said: 2018 = +$50 mil in dead money = tank 2019 = +$100 mil in cap space = fixes a lot of holes Again, who are the players that they are going to bring in. just because they have all this money does not mean they can just go buy a #1 WR of the shelf. There needs to be one available and they have to want to come here. The two best WR that will be on the market next year. Dog Baldwin and Randall Cobb. Are they worth paying 10MM+ for? 1 1
nucci Posted October 3, 2018 Posted October 3, 2018 19 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Because one is a coach and the other is the general manager. Do you need a link for that? In theory you're correct but it was done backwards here...coach was hired before the GM and we don't know if McDermott approved Beane or who has more control over personnel
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