Officially one quarter into the season what are your composed thoughts?

[frostbitmic]

The Golden Girls could turn our o-line into turnstyles and I fear for the life of Allen. Even when Allen gets rid of the ball his WR's have hands of stone.

 

When Shady is getting 5 carries per game you have to seriously wonder wtf Daboll is thinking when calling plays.

 

On defense they seem to be playing conservative and not playing aggressive. I think we blitzed twice yesterday, one resulting in a sack from our rookie safety. For the love of all that is holy, attack the offense like they did vs the Vikings. Forcing mistakes is a good thing.

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, Tcali said:

lets remember how schizo this team and coaching staff are. I expect a 7-9 season. expect a great game soon.

Lets also remember how bad the jets and dolphins are.2 wins right there.

The Jets aren’t that bad- just have a rook at the helm. We will be lucky to win again this season. GB was banged up and we couldn’t score! 

[RobbRiddick]

My thoughts can be illustrated thus:

 

 

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!

 

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

 

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Hawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

 

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[longtimebillsfan]

3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Everyone here (and pretty much anywhere NFL related) loves to overreact to everything positively or negatively. After the bad losses the Bills should fire everyone and trade Allen for a 7th if we could be so lucky. After the Vikings game to quote Rodney Dangerfield from the end of Caddy Shack "We're all going to get laid."

 

Coaches will often say they look at seasons in quarters so after 4 games what are you composed thoughts and impressions about the team thus far? 

 

Positives 

1- The defensive turn around. 

After 6 God awful defensive quarters the team has been pretty good and consistent defensively. If this team has any hope of trying to win games and develop Josh Allen they will need a consistent defensive effort 

2- Josh Allen. 

Josh Allen has not looked good in 2 out of his 3 starts. But he has flashed athletic ability and he has put together some really nice throws. I think that considering how raw a prospect Allen was coming out of college it isn't surprising to see Allen come out and look very uneven. 

3- Young defenders. 

Phillips, Johnson, Milano, Edumonds, White, and the continued development of a young core of defensive players emerging gives hope that this strong defensive play can be sustained beyond this season. Hopefully Shaq gets added to that list of good young players. 

4- Zay Jones.

Zay hasn't light the world on fire but he is competently putting together a decent season, after Zay's mental breakdown and injury issues it is good to see him not only playing but probably becoming the teams best WR out of an abysmal core. I could honestly see Zay developing into a quality slot receiver. 

 

Negatives. 

1- Peterman. 

The fact that Peterman is one snap away from playing is unforgivable. The fact that this staff got fooled by per-season Peterman twice is horrendous. I don't mind having Peterman as a third string QB but why on Earth have they not explored a veteran backup option? 

2- The O-line

The Bills might have the worst O-line in football. I know the All-22 has been a bit kinder to the O-line esp in the LA loss (no word on the Green Bay loss as I type this) but watching this team you can see they are losing the battle in the trenches rather consistently in every game but the Vikings game. Playing a rookie behind this O-line is something that could seriously stunt Allen's footwork development. 

3- The skill position core. 

The WR core in particular is outright bad and might be the worst unit in the league certainly bottom 5. KB isn't doing much and Zay Jones putting together a decent season is probably the best thing going which says a lot. The rest of the team is Andre Holmes a JAG veteran and a bunch of young players not doing a whole lot. Clay and the tight ends are decent if you had good receivers but they have limited impact since the receiving core is awful. 

4- Shady might be done. 

Shady was/is a dynamic offensive weapon, one of the things that could have made the skill position core's relative weakness palpable is if Shady was still an elite weapon out of the backfield. With his injury and at his age/miles it isn't looking to good for him early. Granted this is only 25% into the season so there is still plenty of time for him to turn it around but it is sad to see him get off to such a bad start. 

 

Overall the Bills are who we thought they were a team that mortgaged veteran players to get out from under contracts and accrue draft capital. They then spent that draft capital on two trade ups to acquire Allen and Edumonds (Cordy Glenn and picks 21, 22, 53, 56, and 65 for Allen, Edumonds, and a 5th round pick.) Those trade ups and the massive dead cap really crippled the teams ability to build a more complete roster. If you trade away a lot of productive veteran players for draft capital (Which also incurs short term dead cap) and then do two big trade ups with that draft capital then there are going to be massive holes on parts of the roster. 

 

The Bills are looking to be who we thought they probably were.  A team that has some key pieces in place but will have to wait until the dead cap clears in order to build up other parts of their roster. 

The Bills are doing better than I imagined.   I figured they would be 0 - 4 at this point in the season.   I was not expecting a win before mid-season.   Allen is a work in progress.   He will have his good days and bad.  Fans needs to cut him some slack.  The hand wringing and panic are laughable.  Give the poor kid a season to learn the game.   He is showing maturity and poise.  He will make a lot of mistakes.   But he is our future.  Don't give up on him so soon.

[Success]

I don’t care how nutty it sounds - I think we can still make the playoffs in a weak AFC.

 

This was the worst part of our schedule, by far.  I think our defense can be a top unit.  If the offense can just figure out how to be average - and we saw that last week - we can compete with anyone in the AFC, except possibly the Chiefs.

[longtimebillsfan]

8 minutes ago, Success said:

I don’t care how nutty it sounds - I think we can still make the playoffs in a weak AFC.

 

This was the worst part of our schedule, by far.  I think our defense can be a top unit.  If the offense can just figure out how to be average - and we saw that last week - we can compete with anyone in the AFC, except possibly the Chiefs.

I really like your optimism.  After what happened last season, anything is possible. 

[Tcali]

1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said:

The Jets aren’t that bad- just have a rook at the helm. We will be lucky to win again this season. GB was banged up and we couldn’t score! 

we shall see

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

The Buffalo Bills are what I thought they were 

 

A team trying to get young on offense and defense while maintaining the mainstays on the D to try to keep the games from getting away.  

 

So far I'm not a fan of Leslie Frazier solo play calling 

[QCity]

As expected. Well no, actually I didn't expect them to beat the Vikings. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

My composed thoughts?

 

Well, I'm thrilled they picked up one win in the first four. I expect them to be much more competitive going forward. Having 5 of 7 on the road to start is ridiculous. I can't remember another team with that kind of nonsense to deal with.

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

Pretty rough sledding at QB, with a few glimpses of good play. Defense seems to be getting it together. The offense is the worst we’ve seen since at least 2001, with very little talent. In essence, a throwaway year of Josh Allen starts with no reinforcements arriving until 2019.

[Helpmenow]

Feel bad for #95. No playoffs again.

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, Tcali said:

we shall see

Hindsight is always 20/20 for sure

[Big Turk]

My thoughts are this team has the worst talent on the offensive side of the ball as a unit in the NFL.

 

Allen is being put into a situation that really sucks for him. Its hard to judge what he is doing when the surrounding cast is this pathetic.

 

Edmunds, Johnson and Phillips on D are bright spots in this years draft class.

 

Our OLine coaching is terrible. Its one thing to get beat physicslly due to lack of talent. Its completely another thing when dudes are running free because they arent being coached properly on who to block and their assignments when certain things happen. Its a joke. Basically anytime the defense doesn't just rush 4 defensive linemen straight ahead the OLine looks clueless.

 

We will not win more than 3 games this season and will draft in the top 3.

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Close to what I expected with the defense being the best unit on the team that will hopefully congeal into a top ten unit as the season progresses.

 

The offense I knew would struggle given the supporting personnel that is very poor (OL and WR in particular) with a very raw rookie QB.

 

...probably just me, but the pre-season through the first 6 quarters leave me questioning as to whether Frazier is the right guy to formulate the defensive game plan and adjust with some consistent fluidity throughout the game based on the opponent's offense....

[Mark92]

7 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Everyone here (and pretty much anywhere NFL related) loves to overreact to everything positively or negatively. After the bad losses the Bills should fire everyone and trade Allen for a 7th if we could be so lucky. After the Vikings game to quote Rodney Dangerfield from the end of Caddy Shack "We're all going to get laid."

 

Coaches will often say they look at seasons in quarters so after 4 games what are you composed thoughts and impressions about the team thus far? 

 

Positives 

1- The defensive turn around. 

After 6 God awful defensive quarters the team has been pretty good and consistent defensively. If this team has any hope of trying to win games and develop Josh Allen they will need a consistent defensive effort 

2- Josh Allen. 

Josh Allen has not looked good in 2 out of his 3 starts. But he has flashed athletic ability and he has put together some really nice throws. I think that considering how raw a prospect Allen was coming out of college it isn't surprising to see Allen come out and look very uneven. 

3- Young defenders. 

Phillips, Johnson, Milano, Edumonds, White, and the continued development of a young core of defensive players emerging gives hope that this strong defensive play can be sustained beyond this season. Hopefully Shaq gets added to that list of good young players. 

4- Zay Jones.

Zay hasn't light the world on fire but he is competently putting together a decent season, after Zay's mental breakdown and injury issues it is good to see him not only playing but probably becoming the teams best WR out of an abysmal core. I could honestly see Zay developing into a quality slot receiver. 

 

Negatives. 

1- Peterman. 

The fact that Peterman is one snap away from playing is unforgivable. The fact that this staff got fooled by per-season Peterman twice is horrendous. I don't mind having Peterman as a third string QB but why on Earth have they not explored a veteran backup option? 

2- The O-line

The Bills might have the worst O-line in football. I know the All-22 has been a bit kinder to the O-line esp in the LA loss (no word on the Green Bay loss as I type this) but watching this team you can see they are losing the battle in the trenches rather consistently in every game but the Vikings game. Playing a rookie behind this O-line is something that could seriously stunt Allen's footwork development. 

3- The skill position core. 

The WR core in particular is outright bad and might be the worst unit in the league certainly bottom 5. KB isn't doing much and Zay Jones putting together a decent season is probably the best thing going which says a lot. The rest of the team is Andre Holmes a JAG veteran and a bunch of young players not doing a whole lot. Clay and the tight ends are decent if you had good receivers but they have limited impact since the receiving core is awful. 

4- Shady might be done. 

Shady was/is a dynamic offensive weapon, one of the things that could have made the skill position core's relative weakness palpable is if Shady was still an elite weapon out of the backfield. With his injury and at his age/miles it isn't looking to good for him early. Granted this is only 25% into the season so there is still plenty of time for him to turn it around but it is sad to see him get off to such a bad start. 

 

Overall the Bills are who we thought they were a team that mortgaged veteran players to get out from under contracts and accrue draft capital. They then spent that draft capital on two trade ups to acquire Allen and Edumonds (Cordy Glenn and picks 21, 22, 53, 56, and 65 for Allen, Edumonds, and a 5th round pick.) Those trade ups and the massive dead cap really crippled the teams ability to build a more complete roster. If you trade away a lot of productive veteran players for draft capital (Which also incurs short term dead cap) and then do two big trade ups with that draft capital then there are going to be massive holes on parts of the roster. 

 

The Bills are looking to be who we thought they probably were.  A team that has some key pieces in place but will have to wait until the dead cap clears in order to build up other parts of their roster. 

I disagree that Allen has looked bad in 2 of 3 starts.  I would say against LA he looked like a rookie with potential ( that's good in my book). He looked great against Minn and obviously didn't look good at all yesterday.  I think you have to look at who he has been playing against and with.  We all knew the fist 4 games were going to be tough for any rookie QB.  Allen is RAW and we all know it but it's hard for him to develop when our o line can't buy him enough time.  And when they do Allen discovers that nobody is open because our WRs can't get separation.  Give Allen Clevelands WR and O line and I bet he looks better than he has.  

[Scott7975]

I pretty much expected this.  One thing I didn't expect was blowing out the Vikings.

[VW82]

Josh Allen is having a rough go of it out there and is making everyone around him look really bad in the process. I get everyone else on this board thinks it's the opposite, but I assure you our QB is the root of the problem right now. Let's hope he figures it out, and fast. 

[Gray Beard]

7 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It looked more like Losmans 2nd start against the Bucs. He was awful. Much like Allen was yesterday. Very similar starts.

I just had a scary thought. What if Allen is Losman 2.0?

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Helpmenow said:

Feel bad for #95. No playoffs again.

Except for last year

5 minutes ago, VW82 said:

Josh Allen is having a rough go of it out there and is making everyone around him look really bad in the process. I get everyone else on this board thinks it's the opposite, but I assure you our QB is the root of the problem right now. Let's hope he figures it out, and fast. 

Yes....because the other qb also faired so well

 

Of course its the rookie qb

 

Give it up