Ease up on Allen

[DuckyBoys]

he seems to be accurate when he steps into throws and isnt running for his life  Coaching staff had no answer once the game script started to get away from them  They panicked early and abandoned the run game.  Josh hurt them with the pick at the end of the 1st half  Little bit too much hero ball.  The most concerning thing he does which I hope they will fix with better protection and him learning trusting his line more will fix is fleeing the pocket to his right needlessly often right into pressure.  That game was more frustrating for me from the standpoint of how quick their playcalling turned to throw/throw/throw.  Also stop with the play action bombs on 1st down or give him a 2nd option  I have yet to see Foster or anyone else get over the safety by more than half a step  That is a incredibly low % offense to run 

[Fred Clause]

2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

 

I didn't B because I was impressed with his performance against the Vikings.

 

My concern is the inaccuracy on what should be routine completions. Those are the very same knocks against him going back to college. 

 

I am fine with young QB's making mistakes, throwing picks, missing reads, etc. I am ALARMED when a young QB struggles to accurately throw the ball to a guy 10 yards away.

If you would have spent even a small amount of time reviewing his college play you would have understood the reason for his completion percentage. If you would have taken the time to review all of the other rookies yesterday you would have seen similar completion percentages. If he was able to be accurate against Minnesota, then he is able to be accurate. Our game plan and execution sucked yesterday. Don’t know where the OC’s thinking was playing in Green Bay on his QB’s third start, couldn’t have been more foolish. Until this team gets built around Allen, nobody knows what he is going to be. Watching KC play tonight it’s ridiculous how much better the design of their offenses is  and the execution by the offensive line.

[jaybee]

11 hours ago, THE SLAMMER said:

LOL, Remember the Patience Poll?

 

78% said they are willing to give any rookie QB 2 years....

 

Looks like the 22% WANT IT NOW!!!

 

Must be the Millenniums

They probably search their phones for a quarterback app!  Lol.

[LSHMEAB]

15 hours ago, Fred Clause said:

If you would have spent even a small amount of time reviewing his college play you would have understood the reason for his completion percentage. If you would have taken the time to review all of the other rookies yesterday you would have seen similar completion percentages. If he was able to be accurate against Minnesota, then he is able to be accurate. Our game plan and execution sucked yesterday. Don’t know where the OC’s thinking was playing in Green Bay on his QB’s third start, couldn’t have been more foolish. Until this team gets built around Allen, nobody knows what he is going to be. Watching KC play tonight it’s ridiculous how much better the design of their offenses is  and the execution by the offensive line.

I had a different takeaway watching Kansas City.

 

As a guy who desperately wanted the Bills to draft Mahomes, it's excruciating. I like results, not excuses; I guess I'm old fashioned that way.

Edited October 2, 2018 by LSHMEAB

[bobblehead]

16 hours ago, Fred Clause said:

If you would have spent even a small amount of time reviewing his college play you would have understood the reason for his completion percentage. If you would have taken the time to review all of the other rookies yesterday you would have seen similar completion percentages. If he was able to be accurate against Minnesota, then he is able to be accurate. Our game plan and execution sucked yesterday. Don’t know where the OC’s thinking was playing in Green Bay on his QB’s third start, couldn’t have been more foolish. Until this team gets built around Allen, nobody knows what he is going to be. Watching KC play tonight it’s ridiculous how much better the design of their offenses is  and the execution by the offensive line.

Well.  The problem is that it takes grown ups and actual understanding to even want to get it, much less get it. These people don’t post dozens of times a day or need the attention.  I just cringe when people bring up buzzwords like footwork and accuracy because as I’m sure you know, neither you or I or anyone else has any credibility to discuss that.  Josh Allen has zero room with people here and it’s sad because most of that is based on posturing and a need for legitimacy . 

[Fred Clause]

8 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I had a different takeaway watching Kansas City.

 

As a guy who desperately wanted the Bills to draft Mahomes, it's excruciating. I like results, not excuses; I guess I'm old fashioned that way.

You weren’t impressed by the line play, the talent and design of that offense? I did see some bad passes from Mahomes, but overall I have to say he was damn impressive. But there is no mistaking he would not be as impressive if he was here in this situation. But right now, the kid looks to be damn good...

7 hours ago, bobblehead said:

Well.  The problem is that it takes grown ups and actual understanding to even want to get it, much less get it. These people don’t post dozens of times a day or need the attention.  I just cringe when people bring up buzzwords like footwork and accuracy because as I’m sure you know, neither you or I or anyone else has any credibility to discuss that.  Josh Allen has zero room with people here and it’s sad because most of that is based on posturing and a need for legitimacy . 

Before we drafted a QB, almost everyone said he would need two years to develop. Now, there is a large crew here that thinks we should give up after 3 starts. It’s pretty ridiculous...

Edited October 3, 2018 by Fred Clause

[Chris66]

There are things a nfl qb should be able to do at this level even as a rookie. Being able to read a blitz and knowing where the hot read is. Is one of them. Defensive coordinators are going to have a field day with him.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Good TBN article article by QB coach Jim Kubiak.  Starts out very basic, keep reading - good assessment of Allen's sacks vs Packers.

 

https://buffalonews.com/2018/10/01/buffalo-bills-jim-kubiak-josh-allen-sacks-green-bay-packers/

 

Some key quotes:

" The study of the seven sacks given up by the Bills revealed a couple of important truths. The first is that Green Bay did a very good job of disguising their blitzes. .....

three of the seven sacks occurred on third-and-4, third-and-3 and third-and-3 respectively. .....

Five of the sacks .... were designed five- and six-man pressures . Two (were( ordinary four-man rushes where the Bills offensive line simply could not hold up for extended time "

(he then goes into some suggestions how the Bills offense could better counter or exploit the Blitz

 

 

3 hours ago, Chris66 said:

There are things a nfl qb should be able to do at this level even as a rookie. Being able to read a blitz and knowing where the hot read is. Is one of them. Defensive coordinators are going to have a field day with him.

 

Not so fast, Grasshopper.  One of the things (known from McCarthy's past, and confirmed in the above article) is that Green Bay does a very very good job indeed of disguising their blitzes.  They'll show Blitz with a LB then pull back and send a safety, or vice-versa.  I haven't looked at the all-22 yet (couldn't stand to) but in the past Green Bay has been pretty effective with an "amoeba" or "psycho" front with only one down lineman and 7-8 men standing up.

 

Old but good article on this makes the point using a Brady play as an example: " It works, and it's hard to plan for on the blackboard, "because you don't know how they're going to move. ...You're dealing with human beings moving around. So, Brady comes to the line -- let's say that there are six guys to the right side of the offensive line, and two on the left. Brady sets the protection. Then, just before the ball is snapped, four of those six on the right side move to the left side. The protection has been set, and the ball has to be snapped because there's two seconds left on the play clock. What do you do?"

 

I'm not clear that Allen always had a hot read, or an "Alert!" play with a hot read.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 hours ago, Chris66 said:

There are things a nfl qb should be able to do at this level even as a rookie. Being able to read a blitz and knowing where the hot read is. Is one of them. Defensive coordinators are going to have a field day with him.

 

Unless of course our garbage OC didn't have one in the particular package. Which, given his propensity to run a whole boatload of 10 yard+ routes with terrible receivers is a distinct possibility.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I had a different takeaway watching Kansas City.

 

As a guy who desperately wanted the Bills to draft Mahomes, it's excruciating. I like results, not excuses; I guess I'm old fashioned that way.

Can we get something that even remotely resembles kc offensive weapons before asking for those results?

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Can we get something that even remotely resembles kc offensive weapons before asking for those results?

 

We could easily have Pat Mahomes and Sammy Watkins, but the Bills just wouldn't be the Bills if that were the situation.

[John from Riverside]

10 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

 

We could easily have Pat Mahomes and Sammy Watkins, but the Bills just wouldn't be the Bills if that were the situation.

That is simplistic thinking and they have a heck of a lot more then Sammy watkins

 

their entire starting offense would start over ours 

[Fred Clause]

2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

 

We could easily have Pat Mahomes and Sammy Watkins, but the Bills just wouldn't be the Bills if that were the situation.

Just what has Sammy Watkins done since he left us and at what cost? I don’t like what has been done to our receivers, but the truth is Boby Woods would have been better to keep.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 hours ago, bobblehead said:

Well.  The problem is that it takes grown ups and actual understanding to even want to get it, much less get it. These people don’t post dozens of times a day or need the attention.  I just cringe when people bring up buzzwords like footwork and accuracy because as I’m sure you know, neither you or I or anyone else has any credibility to discuss that.  Josh Allen has zero room with people here and it’s sad because most of that is based on posturing and a need for legitimacy . 

 

Boom. Lumber laid.

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

 

We could easily have Pat Mahomes and Sammy Watkins, but the Bills just wouldn't be the Bills if that were the situation.

 

No.  Stop stating this myth and lie. Sammy was gone REGARDLESS if we drafted Mahomes.  There is no reality where they would BOTH be on this team.  So stop.  They didnt keep Sammy because of they knew they were not going to pay what he get on the open market.  Had NOTHING to do with who the QB was.  Had they drafted Mahomes, he still gets traded.  Its that simple...and even IF they didnt trade him, there was ZERO chance they would have paid him $16m that he got in FA.  

 

You dont seem to have a grasp of reality when it comes to should have could have game you seem to love to play right now.

Edited October 3, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Jerome007]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I'm not clear that Allen always had a hot read, or an "Alert!" play with a hot read.

I really didn't see any, though sometimes on TV we don't see enough of the field. So yeah Allen and the center have to adjust protection but also the RECEIVERS have to as well with hot routes. When so many players do not do it, a good chunk of the responsibility falls on the coaches! Sweeps, roll outs, passes in the flat, reverses, runs, many ways to also counter it, get Allen in groove, save him from the pounding, make use of his talents. While he sure has the arm to lead a vertical style of offense, the rest of the staff on offense don't. So I hope Daboll doesn't repeat last week's game plan! And that they pick the blitzes better! Just that alone would be HUGE. 

[berg1029]

Couple Allen related thoughts:

 

Allen really needs to learn to feel the pressure better.  You watch any of the top QBs and they are able to make the most out of just taking a few steps within the pocket.  With him though, it just feels like he gets happy feet and stops thinking about how to move about in the pocket to maximize his chance to get off a good throw. 

 

When we had Tyrod, it was hard to evaluate how good our receivers really were.  It's the opposite now; it's hard to evaluate Allen's progress because of how bad our receivers (and o-line) are.  Along the same lines, I think it's difficult to say how bad (or good?) of a game Daboll is calling when their is team-wide failure to execute on offense.  

 

[Bing Bong]

Pettine had his number. He kills young Quarterbacks. That's all that happened

[Yav]

They really need to get a WR that can catch a damn ball. KB and Zay are about as useless as nipples on a man. **** I’d be happy with Dez. 

[fridge]

People love the Aikman comparison anytime a rookie QB doesn't look good.