Ease up on Allen

[AllenWillBust]

Allen is a bust like I tried to tell you all, but, whatever.

[Buddy Hix]

We all know the issues Allen has to work through, but criticizing his inaccurate throws and inability to read a defence are fair game.

 

What happened to the progress we were sold after his time with Palmer? Allen was missing throws by 5-10 feet early on.

 

And being under pressure is tough, no doubt, but making the decision to throw it up on the run, across the field is laughable, it shouldn’t happen at this level.

 

We all hope things change, but 1/4 of the season is over and Allen looks like some of the draft grades advertised, a 3rd round project.

 

It’s not really the kids fault. Beane reached on a project and had no plan to help the young man progress.

[row_33]

32 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:

Rexy actually kept us in a game with Brady without pressure, remember that?

 

 

Math lessons.

 

For sure.

 

And had some success against Brady with the Jets.

 

But my memories of Brady and Montana will be them often finding a way to win in the 4th quarter when their days weren't going so well or the other team stood on its head for 3 quarters.

 

 

[row_33]

1 hour ago, TheElectricCompany said:

Different era, comparisons are moot. 

Aikman threw more than 20 TDs ONCE in his career. 

 

 

it's impossible to usefully compare stats in any sport with ten years prior

 

but don't stop these folks from spending 13 total years of their lives on this project.... 

 

 

[Happy]

33 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

is there any point trying to make an elite QB "panic" and lose his cool when you can't deliver the rush?
 

 

 

I think we can deliver the rush as shown in the Vikings game and second half of the Chargers game.  Scheming to deliver the rush and an aggressive defense is much better than a timid one, like yesterday, against an elite QB.  They might still beat you, but they'll shred you if you can't get to them.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

It’s hard not to question what seems like is happening. But I also think Allen and his rook-ness 

are just part of the story 

 

The passing plays dont seem scripted enough. Too many reads maybe? . Lots of low percentage passes. Once behind Allen was taking deep shots as opposed to hitting underneath but hard to say if that was him or the call. It’s like anti Trent. Rarely taking the Check down. 

 

Packers brought 5 or 6 most of the game. But there was no answer.  swing to McCoy might beat that, but it wasn’t used much after the first 7 yard gain. Blitz recognition doesn’t seem to be there.  

 

late in fourth quarter he seemed to find Zay and realize he can get open.  Ball was coming out much faster. 

 

Also why wouldn’t KBenj be used like a tight end from the slot? unless there is a busted coverage except for on inside slants he’s usually easily covered. 

 

How many times is he going to throw deep back to the middle of the field on the run???  

 

What I liked is he never stopped trying to win that game. 

 

 

Defense wasnt great but good.  dropped a possible pick six that could have been a nice spark. 

 

bills got way more help from officials v minny. 

[jr1]

and no salary cap until 1994

[AllenWillBust]

1 hour ago, Ramza86 said:

Why are we worried about Allen?

 

The biggest concern is that he was drafted at all by this franchise with Rosen still on the board.  Huge setback for this team, many years lost.

[Da webster guy]

1 hour ago, TheElectricCompany said:

 

Yes, this is an appropriate strategy against all QBs in the league. 

 

 

Not if you mean blitzing.  Rookie qb's lead the league in the number of times they're blitzed, where guys like Rodgers, Brady and Peyton get blitzed far less because of their ability to consistently beat them.

[mead107]

3 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said:

 

The biggest concern is that he was drafted at all by this franchise with Rosen still on the board.  Huge setback for this team, many years lost.

??? Seriously   What has Rosen done?

[AllenWillBust]

2 minutes ago, mead107 said:

??? Seriously   What has Rosen done?

 

Wait a few years.

[OldTimer1960]

45 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

So you only want to hear criticism with the caveat that he's raw and is very likely to develop into a high quality starting NFL QB?

 

What if he actually is a bust and the terrible play we're witnessing doesn't have a silver lining?

 

He's the most inaccurate QB in the NFL and I don't personally think that's a flaw that can be corrected. I bought into the footwork argument, etc. because I WANT TO BELIEVE. At this point, I'm beyond skeptical and I'm kind of tired of Allen apologists acting like that makes me any less of a fan.

He completed nearly 70% of his passes last week.  I think that there is evidence that when he has some time to throw and has a reasonable (normal) mix of short, medium and longer throws that he can be accurate. 

 

I did not see the use of shorter passes as they did against the Vikings in this game until late.  Maybe because Allen wasn't willing to throw them, but I didn't notice them in the routes.

 

 

[MiltonWaddams]

I watched yesterday's game with my buddy who is a Packers fan. His observation was that he did not believe that Allen  trusts his receivers to catch the ball when he throws it. The number of pumps on passing plays was, at times, ridiculous. It was as though he wanted to throw but saw who is the receiver on the other end and decided it wasn't worth the risk. That was his assessment and, in general, I could see that being the case.

[row_33]

35 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

We will know a lot more about Allen's chances by the end of the year but it's unlikely we will have anywhere near a reliable final opinion.  It took Steve Young longer to pan out. Along these lines the timing of the rebuild is not ideal. If the Bills look mainly to the draft to shore up the O-line and WR group they will likely have to wait a year or two for these guys, even if top shelf prospects, to begin realizing their potential - see David DeCastro, Corey Davis, Mike Williams and many others). I expect they will be very aggressive in free agency.

 

Steve Young was GIFTWRAPPED a Super Bowl championship team

 

 

 

[row_33]

25 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

I think we can deliver the rush as shown in the Vikings game and second half of the Chargers game.  Scheming to deliver the rush and an aggressive defense is much better than a timid one, like yesterday, against an elite QB.  They might still beat you, but they'll shred you if you can't get to them.

 

as usual, you make sense on here

 

i'll accept anything worth cheering for, if it's nothing then it isn't so bad....

 

 

[mead107]

3 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said:

 

Wait a few years.

So we can’t wait for Allen? ?

[BillsfanAZ]

9 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said:

 

The biggest concern is that he was drafted at all by this franchise with Rosen still on the board.  Huge setback for this team, many years lost.

Over the course of the season it may look different but at this point the only QB that I would rather have over Allen is maybe Mayfield but not sure how much better he would do on this team. Rosen made a few good passes yesterday but hasnt shown anything. 

[Aussie Joe]

People mention Aikman ( or Manning) but not many mention Joey Harrington or several others who were drafted high and who sucked in their rookie campaign and never  really improved...

 

Regardless, what these other guys did or didn’t do will have no impact on how Allen’s career unfolds..

 

 

[BmarvB]

57 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

Once he starts to read a defense, I will give him a break, but just like at Wyoming, he creates his own problems because he has no idea what he is doing out there.

 

One of the most physically gifted athletes this league will ever see, but mentally there is a lot to be desired. 

 

He needs to learn protections and defense ASAP.

 Oh he's going to learn, just not from his OC, QB coach or Peterman,

[John from Riverside]

32 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said:

Allen is a bust like I tried to tell you all, but, whatever.

Nobody takes you seriously though......so there is that