87168 Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 Absolutely. He was put in a position to either sink or swim, strictly due to poor off season decisions. People can minimize the impact of having a vet on the team, but it's needed, and we don't have one. 1 hour ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Allen seems pretty solid mentally. He will succeed or fail based on his own capabilities. Very false.
CountDorkula Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, wppete said: The Bills are on pace to break that record, by a wide margin too. 1
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, 87168 said: Absolutely. He was put in a position to either sink or swim, strictly due to poor off season decisions. People can minimize the impact of having a vet on the team, but it's needed, and we don't have one. Very false. You subscribe to myths.
teef Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 allen is a rookie. we going to see a few games like the vikings game, but more likely more games where his performance is green bay-ish. on top of that, this team isn't very good. the knee jerk reactions are fun though. it's a long season, and this year is more about development than anything. i don't think it will ruin josh. if allen doesn't become a successful qb, it's more likely going to be due to the shortcoming we all heard about coming out of college. i'm not worried about him at all at this point. just learn from the stupid rookie mistakes, and he'll be fine. 3
MAJBobby Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 6 hours ago, Foreigner said: Call me a troll or whatever, as I got ripped for my last post for complaining about losing Woods, Watkins, and Goodwin for almost nothing and replacing them with this group of WRs. The Pats tried Decker and Gordon this year. They both may not work out, but at least they TRIED to improve their WRs. 1. We have no QB mentor to help teach Allen this year, unless you think he should learn the position from Nathan Peterman. 2. Low balling Incognito before his breakdown backfired, and we have been blaming OCs from before Marone's time for our OL problems, when the real problem is a lack of competent GMs who haven't had a clue on OL talent, and please don't tell me to trust the process. 3. Our WR core is among or maybe the worst in the league. You can refer to the first paragraph for my thinking on that. The bottom line is if Allen gets no help to correct his physical errors, and continues to run for his life messing up his mental makeup, he won't make it here. Good to great QBs cannot be ruined unless of a career ending injury.
Soda Popinski Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, teef said: allen is a rookie. we going to see a few games like the vikings game, but more likely more games where his performance is green bay-ish. on top of that, this team isn't very good. the knee jerk reactions are fun though. it's a long season, and this year is more about development than anything. i don't think it will ruin josh. if allen doesn't become a successful qb, it's more likely going to be due to the shortcoming we all heard about coming out of college. i'm not worried about him at all at this point. just learn from the stupid rookie mistakes, and he'll be fine. I guess Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning were ruined their rookie years too. The hot takes are indeed amusing this morning.
teef Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 Just now, Soda Popinski said: I guess Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning were ruined their rookie years too. The hot takes are indeed amusing this morning. just look who the op is. last week he was no where to be found. on a monday after a loss, i expect 5-6 more threads by him today. 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) It will make or break him. I am not making any comparisons but Troy Aichman 1 or 2 wins his first season Edited October 1, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan
MAJBobby Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, wppete said: Carr wasnt good anyway. Should I post one of Goff 4.0 sacks a game? Too and how did that ruin him? 1
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 Allen is a ‘self made’ guy. He believes in himself. I don’t think he will suddenly lose his confidence. The coaches need to cut him loose and let him play his game. There was a play early on in the Packer game where Josh could of picked up the first down by running. He attempted a pass instead that was incomplete. This could be the only area he is getting asked not to run to much and get hurt. They also will need to find some wide receivers who now how to work WITH a scrambling quarter back.
DefenseWins Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 As far as I can tell, the Jets must be ruining Darnold too then, cause his stats and the outcome of that game are pretty similar to the Bills ordeal yesterday... And Miami got destroyed by the Pariots as usual too... Boy, you people need to chill out... Aikman's rookie season was as pathetic as this and so was Elway's... This is a transition and learning year - a rebuilding year... Enjoy the high points and tolerate the low points...
BananaB Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 I’m more worried about the unit as a whole, way too much inexperience. Allen I think will be alright. He’s the only guy on offender who shows any promise right now. These young WRs need a decent veteran WRs infront of them. The pressure on Allen will continue until we find a guy who can play. Look at all the young WRs who make impacts throughout the league, they all have something common and it’s a experienced vet around them. And Kelvin Benjamin isn’t that vet, to be honest he should be used at a pass catching TE. Might be a way for him to improve his pay because he’s gonna be on the FA market a while after the Bills let him go.
MAJBobby Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 There are going to be games like yesterday in Allen’s growth. What you want to see is more positive games than negative by the end of the year. And hopefully by the end of a year a string of good to great games linked together. He wasnt good yesterday
Ramza86 Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 Hmm.....based on what ive seen. I dont think he ever looked too flustered out there. The guy has been in constant duress for 3 weeks now. This was his worst game to date, but I think hes handling it the best he can. If he can continue to keep his composure the following weeks then I dont think he can be ruined. He will just need the pieces around him.
TheElectricCompany Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 Ruined? No, but I think his development stalls out if you don't get some pieces around him. 1
Bray Wyatt Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 Yesterday was a big learning experience for Allen. Pettine is known for confusing rookie qbs with looks he wouldnt have seen before. Couple that with an OL who gets confused easily and it was not going to go well. I expect a better game out of him next week, although Tenn's defense looks legit as well
H2o Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 22 minutes ago, 87168 said: Absolutely. He was put in a position to either sink or swim, strictly due to poor off season decisions. People can minimize the impact of having a vet on the team, but it's needed, and we don't have one. Very false. This is incorrect as well. It's not due to poor offseason decisions. Their hands were tied due to dead cap. There was only so much money to spread around. Incognito losing his sh*t again then retiring, coupled with Wood's neck injury, and moving Glenn for draft capital made this OL what it is. Without that draft capital we don't get Allen and Edmunds. I would have spent the money they spent on Star other ways, but no one is going to agree with every move a FO makes. They brought in McCarron to be the bridge, but he didn't show much so they got a 5th for him. Steal by the FO. Peterman fooled everyone again and showed his true colors week 1. They were holding out hope from the 2nd year, 2nd rounder Zay Jones. They were hoping that Benjamin would step up and make some plays. Clay is still a decent receiving option. We still have Shady. I don't know what you expected, but Rookie QB's don't usually make All Pro their first season. You look for improvement mainly in recognizing defenses, manipulating the defense with their eyes, and how they operate in the pocket. The offensive gameplan against Minnesota was outstanding. Outside of that it has been pretty bad. He may sink in your opinion this year, but as long as you see improvemnt in the areas I already stated everyone should be encouraged. This offseason in 2019 will be the one they can actually start putting some pieces around him on the OL and at the skill positions. Like I said in other threads, I never expected much this year. I just want to see growth out of the young players.
Gugny Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: There are going to be games like yesterday in Allen’s growth. What you want to see is more positive games than negative by the end of the year. And hopefully by the end of a year a string of good to great games linked together. He wasnt good yesterday Exactly. He played like a rookie yesterday. A rookie who was asked to pass way too much and thrust into a predictable offense way too early. He took a lot of hits and bounced back up every time. And he didn't quit. Onto the next game.
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