Benchmarks for Allen

[26TrapDraw]

Can't remember who it was that said it but ....

 

This Board after a loss  ??

Edited October 1, 2018 by BeefCurtns

[Scott7975]

6 hours ago, fridge said:

He hasn't played well at all, but he jumped over a guy and tried to fire the defense up in a losing effort so he might as well get the key to the city in Buffalo.

 

My benchmark is EJ Manuel, which should be very, very a low bar. Allen needs to improve completing passes in obvious passing situations and clutch third downs. If he keeps getting off the field this quickly I'll have no hope. As an aside, I think even EJ was better at this point, though no one can deny Allen's ceiling, it's a little annoying to watch a shutout and the pass he threw at the end of the first half.

EJ did look better at this point of his career but he had better talent around him too.

[BuffaloBillyG]

Through their first 3 NFL starts, Josh Allen has almost the same stat line as Jared Goff had.

 

Couple different way to look at it. For starters, with the way the Rams revamped their WR ranks last year and the Baltimore Ravens restocked this year it shows that you can surround a young QB with playmakers in 1 off season. I'm hoping this is the plan going forward for Beane.

 

Second, Josh Allen was looked at as (aside from Jackson) the QB in the draft that needed rhe most work. So what do we do? We hand a raw rookie QB to a defensive minded HC, an OC that has had zero success in the NFL and a QB coach that has spent the majority of his career coaching WRs. Then we compound that by having zero experienced QBs on the roster. 

 

Rosen has credited Bradford in helping get him ready. Darnold has been vocal about McCown helping him. Allen has Nate Peterman as a sounding board. Right now, Allen is set up to fail despite his raw physical skills. 

 

If you draft a QB that needs work you need to surround him with people qualified to get the most out of him. 

[Teddy KGB]

5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Geez fans are brutal last week he was the second coming and now he’s Mitch Tribisky...Dak Prescott set the world on fire as a rookie and now even after what he did today a bunch of people in Dallas still want a new QB...the difference? A banged up oline and taking away his top two receiving threats will do that...Give Allen a quality running game and couple weapons and he will be just fine 

 

Trubisky threw 6 td’s today.    In one game 

[H2o]

I want to see Allen be able to recognize blitzes and either check down to the hot receiver or change out of a play where he's gonna get hammered. I want to see him step up into the pocket and not try to scramble outside when he can do so consistently. I want to see him get better at looking off the Safety. I want to see him have a better awareness of down and situations in instances like the 2 minute drill yesterday. This is only his 3rd start and he is still learning. Hopefully Daboll schemes better, the OL can hold up for him, and we see him continue to grow.  

[78thealltimegreat]

6 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Trubisky threw 6 td’s today.    In one game 

And Dak Prescott was rookie of the year and a guy who forced a guy who threw for over 34,000 yards into retirement 

[K-9]

10 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

And Dak Prescott was rookie of the year and a guy who forced a guy who threw for over 34,000 yards into retirement 

I think it was Romo’s back and other injury concerns more than Dak Prescott, but your point is well taken none the less.

[GoBills808]

7 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Trubisky threw 6 td’s today.    In one game 

Dat Bucaneers pass defense is baaaaaaaad tho

[LABILLBACKER]

I think Tannehill is the closest benchmark. With better wr's who can actually get separation and better OL his ceiling rises. I love his fire and leadership qualities that we never once had from TT or EJ.  And yes this kid has flaws which will require time to clean up. Because of Peterman's meltdown,  Josh won't have the luxury of learning behind a vet like Steve Young or Aaron Rodgers did. He has to be protected so he doesn't become David Carr.  I'll give him 3 years just like our last 2 qbs. Beane better have the offseason of a lifetime. 

Edited October 1, 2018 by LABILLBACKER

[Zerovoltz]

I am bumping this again because it's right after Mahomes Monday night magic and alot of you are over reacting or mis remembering the situation in 2017.  

 

First a refresher......your owner made the odd call of hiring a new coach, and leaving Whaley in place for the draft.  The new coach, a defensive minded coach, wasn't about to draft a QB on his own, less than expert opinion....and he wasn't going to draft one on the recomendation of Whaley, who was leaving (have seen some rumors Whaley liked Mahomes)  .....So this doesn't come down on McDermott...he wasn't in a position to make this call with any confidence, and since his job would be and IS, riding on the future of the QB position, he couldn't make this call at the time.  Whaley didn't have control of the picks....he was providing scouting info to McD....ironically, IF Whaley was right about both MAHOMES and TRE WHITE...props to Whaley.  .....the choice to avoid QB in 2017 was due to the owners method of reshaping his front office and staff....there is where the blame goes.  I'm not a Bills fan, but your current staff isn't the reason you didn't take a QB...that was Pegula.

 

Now, that said (again)  .....your staff was all set, all the moves and trades etc were made and you ended up with Allen (I am well quoted here saying Mayfield, was the man, then I liked Rudolph second. then Darnold, Rosen, and NOT either of Allen or Jackson so I won't go over that again)  ...you have Allen.  You've all read the scouting reports...You know what you have...so...while you will always look back at 2017 at Mahomes, Watson etc....the guy you need to be looking at is TRUBISKY.  I'm not telling you Trubs has arrived as a QB....but I am telling you that GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES and that you drafted Allen, your realistic assements of Allens developement need to be based on the Bears and Trubisky.  The bears had a decent D and a crappy O all last year.  They spent heavily this past offseason to upgrade the weapons for Trubs...you will be doing the same this upcoming offseason.

 

Trubuisky was not good last year...he didn't look good most of the time....there were instances here and there that some could point to that suggested he might be able to improve, but no one really thoguht much of him after a season.  He hasn't been much to look at this year either, until this past game where he really lit it up with the 5 TD in the first half.  It's been a boon of optimism for the folks in Chicago who were really dreading that they had missed on their QB.  Alot of football to play, but Do yourselves a favor....forget 2017....that happend, it was pegulas fault.  Let your coach and GM have a minute to get out of cap hell and see if you got something in Allen or not....it's going to suck ALL YEAR most likely....compare to the 2017 Bears and Trubs.....see if you can identify similarities or even points where Allen may be ahead of that schedule if there are any.....you will be misserable trying to look at what KC etc are doing...your TEAM isn't there right now.....The path is the bears....that is who you are trying to catch and pass.

 

 

[ghostwriter]

I don't know, it's way too early, showed some good things, showed some bad things, I just can't make a long term evaluation on a guy that is still training on the job. 

[US Egg]

Benchmark for Allen ?....

 

It should be about the benchmark for McDermott, Beane, Frazier and Daboll and it should look something like this:

 

 

Edited October 2, 2018 by I am the egg man