billspro Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: This. And that our other 1st round pick still hasn't worked out which gap he is supposed to fill in the run game. Yes he runs to ball.... but sometimes if he just ran to his gap that tackle he maked 8 yards downfield would not be required. As for offensive talent not being the problem... it is the problem. We have 5 receivers. KB is washed up, Zay looks JAG, Holmes is really on the squad to play teams and Ray Ray and Foster were backups in college. Today was rough and sure Daboll wasn't great. But my word I sympathise with him. Giving him this group and asking him to engineer points is like giving you porridge oats and asking you to make a roast dinner. The one thing I am not worried about isnus passing on a franchise QB at #1 in 2019. I haven't seen a first round prospect out there so far this college season. Or post snap. I don't see him getting through progressions while holding the ball too long.... I just see him staring down the field hoping someone gets open. I am not freaking out yet because I think at some point the game should slow down for him... but some of the college struggles are there for Josh in the NFL thus far. Well that is good news, I don’t usually follow the college prospects until after the season.
Spiderweb Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 11 hours ago, DallasBillsFan1 said: Great read! I would add what I noticed about Allen today ... he often stepped or scrambled to his right, INTO pressure. So frustrating to watch. He could have stepped up into the pocket sooner if he had presence. Easy for me to say as an armchair QB but man, it's as if he went into pressure instead of away from it. Yes, I agree on Ivory, let him play as he fits the scheme better. Let Shady heal. I'm not a big Shady fan and am curious when his contract is up. I want Buffalo to have more of a Bruiser, downhill RB ... ala Blount or Marshawn Lynch (oh wait, we traded him). Turns out the Vikes were worse than we thought .... Scheme? Scheme? Waht scheme? That was some of the most clueless football I've witnessed. KB should be benched if not cut. Yet, we have virtually no other options thanks to McBean. At least we saw a Zay Jones sighting once KB went out. He at least looked like he was running and not just simply lumbering down the field. I've come to really dislike KB as a viable option in the passing game. And our offensive line is horrible. They showed almost zero ability to handle a blitz in an way shape or form. Even Dawkins has been disappointing. Better get those youngbloods up to snuff and get them a shot soon. Mills still sucks but our two guards and center play is revolting.
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) Just watched 14 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I 100 percent know what you’re referring to. It was quite evident on 1 drive in particular as well where it was literally “hut” and then throw right away. I’m not disputing that at all. But what did Rodgers have, about 45 drop backs roughly in total? He was not getting rid of the ball in under 2 seconds on even half his throws. Ill continue to disagree with you. Just watched 20 pass plays from rodgers. Every pass was out in 2 seconds or under. On his scrambles he was out of the pocket in 2 seconds. Trying to find the other 20. Edited October 1, 2018 by Not at the table Karlos
Al Czervik Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 As always thanks for the write up Virgil! It was more enjoyable reading your take this morning than it was watching that game yesterday.
BillsFan130 Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Just watched Ill continue to disagree with you. Just watched 20 pass plays from rodgers. Every pass was out in 2 seconds or under. On his scrambles he was out of the pocket in 2 seconds. Trying to find the other 20. All good. I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
GunnerBill Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, billspro said: Well that is good news, I don’t usually follow the college prospects until after the season. Unless there is someone out there who isn't on my radar yet and I haven't seen him there isn't a single guy who I'd feel entirely comfortable taking in the first round let alone top 10. Herbert, Lock and the Auburn kid are probably my top 3 in some jumbled up order. Haven't begun to deep dive into any of them yet so that is just based on TV looks. EDIT: Before someone flames me I am not proposing the Bills need a new Quarterback. Calm down. I will still be evaluating this class even though we will 99% still be riding with Josh next year. Edited October 1, 2018 by GunnerBill
DtownB2 Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 11 hours ago, VW82 said: I think today was about two bad teams with polar opposites at QB. If the QBs were switched I bet the score would have been 22-0 going the other direction. Keep in mind Rodgers was basically playing on one leg. Sometimes it really is that simple. This game was a clear example of how great Rodgers is. He got rid of the ball as quick as possible and was able to hobble for a few first downs with this legs. Our pass rush/defense is why we're 1-3 instead of 0-4 and he completely neutralized it by a quick release. If only we could do the same...it would be nice to throw it quick but that would also require our WRs to have any steps ahead of the dbacks.
Virgil Posted October 1, 2018 Author Posted October 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: All good. I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. You’re right, he didn’t get it out in under 3 seconds the whole game but he did it enough to where we had to adjust our scheme and slow down the rush. 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 1, 2018 Posted October 1, 2018 12 hours ago, Gray Beard said: Good summary. I think most people on this forum have mentioned the lack of quick reads/throws in the offensive repertoire. I agree about Ivory getting yards out of nothing. McCoy is hurting, they should have let Ivory pound it more. ...if "most people on this forum" recognize the deficiency in Daboll's game plan, why doesn't McD?.....he is the overall guy in charge whether his background is defense or not...... 1
Virgil Posted October 2, 2018 Author Posted October 2, 2018 12 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...if "most people on this forum" recognize the deficiency in Daboll's game plan, why doesn't McD?.....he is the overall guy in charge whether his background is defense or not...... I feel like this is an area where he trusts the process a little too much. Also, he knows defense and knew how to jump in Frazier’s face when it wasn’t doing well. He may not know how to with the offense
PUNT750 Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 On 9/30/2018 at 9:28 PM, Virgil said: Sorry for the lateness, but I've been sick all day which has caused me to be in and out of sleep. I also wanted to sit on my thoughts for a bit and enjoy the other games. 1 - Overall Defense - I think most teams would take giving up 22 points at Green Bay. In a week where some guys showed up and others didn't, the defense looks to have kept up with their recent improvements and still showing what we hoped for in the offseason. We didn't get the pressure we did last week, but you could tell the Packers were prepared for us. Rodgers got the ball out very quickly and kept us off balance. There were some holding calls missed that would have forced more punts. Rodgers made some comments about how poorly they played on offense, but I credit the overall play of the defense. There were definitely some missed opportunities with two easy dropped INTs. They gave us a chance to win and was proud that they didn't give up when they showed no signs of getting any support from the offense 2 - Defensive Tackling - If there were one thing to call out negatively about the defense, it was the amount of missed 1 on 1 tackles. There were numerous stops in the backfield or short or first downs where the Packer found a way to break free and get extra yardage. It was noticeable throughout the game and could have gotten the ball back for us sooner quite a few times. Not that we would have done anything with it. 3 - Defensive Line - I'm seeing the threads pop up about Star being a bust again and pressure, but again, Rodgers was holding the ball for less than 2 seconds. The line was solid and didn't start giving up chunk runs until they were gassed from being on the field all game. Rodgers still took some shots and guys were hit in the backfield. Again, the line was solid. 4 - Out of order. I'll show YOU "out of order"! You don't know what "out of order" is, Mr. Trask. I'd show you, but I'm too old, I'm too tired, I'm too !@#$ing blind. If I were the man I was five years ago, I'd take a flamethrower to this place! 5 - Allen - Well, I'm back off the Allen train this week. To be clear, this offensive failure was a team effort, but I can't say that I saw anything hopeful from Allen. His Int's were all on him. He carried the ball recklessly. I have absolutely no idea where he was throwing the ball on the first few drives as they sailed out of bounds. If that was him throwing the ball away, then he was bailing on plays very quickly. Yes, he had limited time on more than a few occasions. But with rookies, you look for throws or plays to build on going forward and I didn't see them today. If he wasn't a top 10 pick and deemed our future savior by some, or even TT in a 17 jersey, the pitchforks would be out. Again, this is a one game review, but I'm not seeing anything from today that puts him ahead of any of the other rookies so far. He didn't break 100 yards passing until garbage time. 6 - Runningbacks - Am I crazy for thinking that Ivory should be starting and McCoy should be out there on 3rd or in multi-back formations? Ivory hits the holes quicker and harder. He picked up nice chunks of yards to the point where we should have kept at it with him. I like Shady and it's nothing against him, but our offensive line and supporting cast seems to point to Ivory being the better fit right now. 7 - Offensive Talent - I'm getting sick of people saying how we don't have talent on our offense as a justification for why we suck. These are NFL players getting paid millions of dollars who are the best of a NCAA program that fields thousands of players. These are elite athletes and I refuse to believe that they just forget how to play or we are always going up against elite defenses. Case and point, go look at the box score for the 49ers today. Besides Pierre Garcon, tell me how many names you recognize on offense and look at what they did against the Chargers. Talent may not be amazing here, but it's better than that. We have much bigger problems. 8 - Daboll - Hello bigger problem. First off, never run a heavy set again. We can't execute it. Second, either our complete lack of offensive cohesion is Allen's fault of Daboll's. Since Allen is the rookie, it's Daboll's responsibility to create a simpler offense, quick reads, and releases. Our offense was putrid today. When you look back to last week and the entire season, I don' t even know why we have WR's on the roster. We have no rhythm nor do we inspire any hope of scoring. Daboll was my biggest head scratching decision this offseason and a quarter into the season, I'm still not seeing it. We've score a total of 23 points in 14 quarters of play this season. He has no history of producing a productive offense while other coaches are doing more with less. 9 - McDermott - I almost didn't list McDermott because I had no problems with him this week. It's hard to jump on him for the offense when I know it's not his background. As the head coach though, he needs to figure it out. The defense did as much as I would expect of them, but he sees what we all see on offense. I'm not sure what he does at this point besides get more involved or bring someone else in to consult, but something needs to happen. 10 - Losing, and then Losing - People are talking about being happy that we aren't 0-4. I personally wouldn't care if we were 0-4 if we were seeing progress. We've seen our defense perform to expectations since halftime against the Chargers and we've seen one half of decent offense. Other than that, we are getting absolutely blown out. We've only had a chance in 1 out of 4 games. If we were competitive or losing while learning, that would be something, but I'm not seeing any of that. The worst part is, we don't really know what the issue is. I think it's 65% Daboll, 20% Allen, 15% Talent at this point. But who knows. On to the Titans next week for a game that I'm not very optimistic about anymore as they just beat two Super Bowl contenders. I'd say I'm looking forward to another week in the Allen progression show, but who knows. I'll be there in person with the family, so the thoughts might be late again. Go Bills! I hate to say this but I think McDermott has some real stiffs on the coaching staff. As HC he may have to take over a lot of other aspects of the overall game!
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 2, 2018 Posted October 2, 2018 19 hours ago, GunnerBill said: As for offensive talent not being the problem... it is the problem. We have 5 receivers. KB is washed up, Zay looks JAG, Holmes is really on the squad to play teams and Ray Ray and Foster were backups in college. Today was rough and sure Daboll wasn't great. But my word I sympathise with him. Giving him this group and asking him to engineer points is like giving you porridge oats and asking you to make a roast dinner. I am sorry, Gunner, but that can be done. Lentil Oat Meatloaf [Vegan] For the Loaf: 1/2 cup green lentils 1 cup vegetable stock 1/3 cup water 1 dried bay leaf 3/4 cup gluten-free steel cut oats 1 cup water, boiled 1/4 cup natural ketchup 1 cup gluten-free rolled or quick oats 3 tablespoons tamari 2 tablespoons nutritional yeast 2 tablespoons ground white chia or flax meal 2 tablespoons vegan Worcestershire sauce (see note for gluten-free version) 2 tablespoons tahini or sunflower seed butter 2 teaspoons blackstrap molasses 1/4 teaspoon dried thyme 1/4-1/2 teaspoon dried oregano 1 teaspoon dried basil 1/8 teaspoon ground fennel (optional) Freshly ground black pepper. to taste I grant you Daboll is not working with Kansas City's offensive roster, but he's underproducing with what he has. 13 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Just watched Ill continue to disagree with you. Just watched 20 pass plays from rodgers. Every pass was out in 2 seconds or under. On his scrambles he was out of the pocket in 2 seconds. Trying to find the other 20. IMO that was one of Green Bay's strategies against us. They saw what we did to Cousins last week and they decided this week they were all about release speed - which they've been focusing on in any event since Rodgers hurt his knee. Yeah, there were still a handful of longer developing plays, but the trademark "Green Bay WR gets open after the DB collapses while Rodgers runs around evading defenders for 5 seconds" was absent. 1
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