Officiating Consistency ( Defenseless Receiver and Helmet to Helmet )

[row_33]

9 minutes ago, DtownB2 said:

 

For sure. 

First drive where GB scored a TD. Obviously block in the back when they ran for a first down.

What about their first scoring play?? Is that not a pick move to get Jimmy Graham free?

 

 

last year i heard some anecdote on TV.....

 

this rookie WR told his dad they were holding him on every play, so his dad told him he was reserving a job for his son selling used cars right beside him if his son couldn't man up and learn how to overcome getting held out there...

 

 

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

14 hours ago, Shotgunner said:

I didn't see a penalty there on KB...

 

... But some of the most egregious holds I've ever seen not called, especially on Hughes.

 

He flailed his arm 3 or 4 times on a clear hold, and was literally choked to his knees from behind. 

 

I hate "blaming" refs for losses, but the team was being egregiously demoralized very early in the game, and many of those blatantly obvious non-calls would have had mahor impacts on those drives. 

 

The KB no-call seemed like the right one, but yesterday's game was one of the worst officiated games I can recall, especially aginst the Bills...and there have been many over the years.

 

Now with that being said, even if those penalties would have been called, it may not have mattered. The Bills offense was hot garbage, starting with the game plan and play calls.  

[Heavy Kevi]

1 hour ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

He flailed his arm 3 or 4 times on a clear hold, and was literally choked to his knees from behind. 

 

I hate "blaming" refs for losses, but the team was being egregiously demoralized very early in the game, and many of those blatantly obvious non-calls would have had mahor impacts on those drives. 

 

The KB no-call seemed like the right one, but yesterday's game was one of the worst officiated games I can recall, especially aginst the Bills...and there have been many over the years.

 

Now with that being said, even if those penalties would have been called, it may not have mattered. The Bills offense was hot garbage, starting with the game plan and play calls.  

 

I agree wholeheartedly with this whole post.

 

Usually, it's not the refs, but yesterday the hold no calls were un-frickin-believable.

 

And idk, it may have helped. Josh seemed out of sorts, last week he was feeling it. What if GB doesn't score on those first couple drives but instead stall out? Maybe, MAYBE we score, quiet down the stadium, and Josh may feel better. Obviously that's just a maybe, but we will never have a chance to know. Momentum is BIG in the NFL, amd that's why so often a 6 seed makes it to the SB.

[John from Riverside]

17 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Clinton- Dix was going for the ball, which he has as much right to as the WR. The contact wasn’t intentional, so you’ll rarely get a call on that type of contact . 

This is such BS....

 

You dont get to make helmet to helmet contact if your going for the ball...it doesnt matter WHAT you are trying to do.

 

We got shafted yesterday on several plays....our defensive line was being held like nobody's business.....Allen's knee was totally down before the ball came out....the helmet to helmet on KB

 

But...when you play THAT badly on offense you dont get the right to complain

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Helmet to helmet contact happens every play somewhere in the field.  It’s the intent part your missing.  Just cause someone’s helmet hits another players doesn’t mean it’s a penalty 

 

I fully understand that. 

 

But he was a defenseless receiver according to the rules and they could’ve called that

 

It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.

Players in a defenseless posture are:

2. A receiver attempting to catch a pass who has not had time to clearly become a runner. If the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player

 

Benjamin did not have time to become a runner... yes the CB has a right to the ball, but he can’t go through Benjamin like he did anymore according to the new rule..  

 

I played DB in college , I know all about how DBs should play The game and how hard it is... and that they have a right to the ball... but defenseless receivers are now even PROTECTED AFTER PICKS...  the INT stands but it’s a 15 yard penalty still

 

Note 2: A player who initiates contact against a defenseless opponent is responsible for avoiding an illegal act. This includes illegal contact that may occur during the process of attempting to dislodge the ball from an opponent. A standard of strict liability applies for any contact against a defenseless opponent, even if the opponent is an airborne player who is returning to the ground or whose body position is otherwise in motion, and irrespective of any acts by the defenseless opponent, such as ducking his head or curling up his body in anticipation of contact.

 

the defender is responsible for avoiding illegal acts on a defenseless receiver , he cannot run through a defenseless receiver for a INT anymore, especially at head level on a defenseless receiver 

 

incidental contact is 1 thing, but it’s always a penalty on a defenseless receiver now 

 

 

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[row_33]

on the Rodgers scramble in the first,  did Hughes think he was going to flap his arms fast enough to fly to the moon ?

 

 

[buffalostu2]

18 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Looked like the ball was moving before the knee was down. Not enough evidence to overturn. 

The ball should move when you are getting sandwiched and it is allowed to move.  But that doesn't mean he was fumbling it.  I thought it was a bad call.

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I fully understand that. 

 

But he was a defenseless receiver according to the rules and they could’ve called that

 

It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.

Players in a defenseless posture are:

2. A receiver attempting to catch a pass who has not had time to clearly become a runner. If the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player

 

Benjamin did not have time to become a runner... yes the CB has a right to the ball, but he can’t go through Benjamin like he did anymore according to the new rule..  

 

I played DB in college , I know all about how DBs should play The game and how hard it is... and that they have a right to the ball... but defenseless receivers are now even PROTECTED AFTER PICKS...  the INT stands but it’s a 15 yard penalty still

 

Note 2: A player who initiates contact against a defenseless opponent is responsible for avoiding an illegal act. This includes illegal contact that may occur during the process of attempting to dislodge the ball from an opponent. A standard of strict liability applies for any contact against a defenseless opponent, even if the opponent is an airborne player who is returning to the ground or whose body position is otherwise in motion, and irrespective of any acts by the defenseless opponent, such as ducking his head or curling up his body in anticipation of contact.

 

the defender is responsible for avoiding illegal acts on a defenseless receiver , he cannot run through a defenseless receiver for a INT anymore, especially at head level on a defenseless receiver 

 

incidental contact is 1 thing, but it’s always a penalty on a defenseless receiver now 

 

 

 

Sorry, thanks

The DB wasn’t playing the receiver though, he was making a play on the ball. Two players collided while trying to catch a ball. That’s what it amounts to. The contact was incidental, so now flag was thrown. If Clinton Dix tried to time up a tackle and made that contact, it likely would have been a flag. This is a judgment call, and in my opinion the official was correct to keep the flag in his pocket. As I’ve stated before, if that’s Tredavious White making that INT I’d be livid if the flag was thrown because the contact was incidental. You have to allow players to play, and this was a good no call. Conversely, many instances of holding by Green Bay went uncalled and the Bills had a legitimate gripe there. 

[Watkins90]

19 hours ago, Shotgunner said:

I didn't see a penalty there on KB...

 

... But some of the most egregious holds I've ever seen not called, especially on Hughes.

I think Hughes didn’t get any calls because he started mouthing off at the ref, about not calling them. But, they were bad and the ref should be above pettiness like that.

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

The DB wasn’t playing the receiver though, he was making a play on the ball. Two players collided while trying to catch a ball. That’s what it amounts to. The contact was incidental, so now flag was thrown. If Clinton Dix tried to time up a tackle and made that contact, it likely would have been a flag. This is a judgment call, and in my opinion the official was correct to keep the flag in his pocket. As I’ve stated before, if that’s Tredavious White making that INT I’d be livid if the flag was thrown because the contact was incidental. You have to allow players to play, and this was a good no call. Conversely, many instances of holding by Green Bay went uncalled and the Bills had a legitimate gripe there. 

 

Fair enough

[BananaB]

When I watch college football I rarely see any problems, I don’t understand how the guys in the NFL are so !@#$ing bad. Some **** just blows your !@#$ing mind. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....pretty much a given that officiating inconsistencies have plagued this sport for years and will only get worse as the "old guard" retires and rules are made to be more complex...not much else you can do but factor it into your game plan.........count on "x" number of penalties for "x" number of yards whether right, wrong or indifferent......it's not changing anytime soon.....