The Wiz Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 33 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Eh. It's a pretty routine in the NFL for a tall WR to go up for a ball that's over his head. WR also work very hard on their grip and arm strength because it's pretty routine they need to out-play DB for contested balls. I understand why ESPN does it that way, my points are it means ESPN's "drops" are a subset of balls most football-knowledgeable guys (former players, coaches etc, not just Charlie Couch Potato) would expect a WR to handle. I'd say if they came down with the ball and then dropped it, I would call it a drop. If they never had control of it while coming down I would probably let it go.
Doc Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: There's an interesting meta-issue behind that "average completion" number. Last year the league average (of the 32 QB with the highest number of passing attempts) was under 63%, 62.7 to be exact. This year, it's currently running higher, at 65%. Is it going to stay higher because of the new QB hit penalties, or will there be some "regression to the mean" as the season wears on? As far as Allen, he's gone from 40% to 54% to 68% completions over the last 3 games, so I think it's probably fair to say there's been more to it than drops. Learning to take what the D is giving him and get the ball out quickly instead of going for the game-changer on every throw is part of it. Not having to play against the clock and throw his way out of a deficit is likely part of it too. Seven drops gets him to league average. Even better. 4 hours ago, The Wiz said: From the Vikings game I could count 3 although some would argue Foster's drop as a tough catch vs a drop. I think there were 2 drops in the LA game. Don't remember much of the Baltimore game since I didn't really watch much after the first half. I counted 4 for sure (2 by KB, 1 by Clay and that long one by Ford) against the Vikes. I would argue that Holmes' sideline grab where he went crazy-leg should be counted as one. And then there is the shovel pass to McCloud that was ruled a fumble, but it wasn't counted as a pass so it doesn't enter in the equation. I think there were at least 2 against the Chargers but there may have been more. And I don't remember how many against the Ravens.
IgotBILLStopay Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 22 hours ago, Socal-805 said: https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/9/27/17911480/the-bills-have-the-highest-percentage-of-passes-dropped Does anyone know what the heck is going on? Holy freakin: CRAP!!! I really don't understand the K.Benjamin thing and probably never will... That said, looking at overall team records, this statistic (% drops) does not appear to be significantly negatively correlated with wins - so .. umm .. I take it with a grain of salt.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: I don’t think a NFL coach who cares about his career would put a player on a roster just because of a college loyalty. I believe that Foster is on the team because of his demonstrated potential. Just because, no. I do think Foster wound up on the roster because he happened to go to college where Daboll was OC. I think there are other guys of demonstrated potential, maybe greater demonstrated potential, but they didn't happen to attend college where our new OC coached last year so we went with the "devil he knew" I think nepotism played a role in a couple of choices we made this year at the low end of the roster. Austin Proehl would be another example - currently not on a roster. It's not necessarily a problem, though one would like to see a wider net cast for talent even at the lower end. 1 minute ago, Doc said: I would argue that Holmes' sideline grab where he went crazy-leg should be counted as one That would never be counted as a drop by an ESPN scorer.
ColoradoBills Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, Foxx said: your right, the list is not overwhelming at all. Cobb will command too much money, Fitzgerald is on the backside of his career and most likely would want to go to a team that has the opportunity to win now. of the rest, i'm thinking i would take a stab at Kearse. i also wouldn't mind seeing 7-11 back in the slot but i doubt TB12 will let him leave. There usually a lot less high quality players available in free agency than most people think. Click on the link I provided and go back in history to see who was available the last 3 years or so. Check out some other Bills needs positions too. Too early to tell but there seems to be more Defensive FAs Bills could use for starter/depth than offensive. What's available in FA will also determine the draft. There is some TEs, RBs and maybe a RT worth FA $'s. It's going to be a lot harder spending the FA money the Bills have than most people will think. Overspending on a Cobb or even a Golden Tate might be needed.
The Wiz Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: There usually a lot less high quality players available in free agency than most people think. Click on the link I provided and go back in history to see who was available the last 3 years or so. Check out some other Bills needs positions too. Too early to tell but there seems to be more Defensive FAs Bills could use for starter/depth than offensive. What's available in FA will also determine the draft. There is some TEs, RBs and maybe a RT worth FA $'s. It's going to be a lot harder spending the FA money the Bills have than most people will think. Overspending on a Cobb or even a Golden Tate might be needed. Just give Allen his 10 year 180m contract next spring and problem solved. Edited September 29, 2018 by The Wiz
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Just give Allen his 10 year 180m contract next spring and problem solved. I believe the CBA prohibits that
The Wiz Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I believe the CBA prohibits that Did not know that. Is it a rookie contract thing or something related to the cap?
ColoradoBills Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 Just now, The Wiz said: Did not know that. Is it a rookie contract thing or something related to the cap? A rookie contract cannot be extended until after the 3rd season is completed.
Doc Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That would never be counted as a drop by an ESPN scorer. I know. Just saying.
The Wiz Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: A rookie contract cannot be extended until after the 3rd season is completed. Is there reasoning behind that. That's all I can find is that wording without real explanation.
ColoradoBills Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Is there reasoning behind that. That's all I can find is that wording without real explanation. As Hap said it's part of the last CBA. The rookie contract stuff before was a mess. This is mainly for the teams protection. If the Bills really want to keep Allen they can extend his contract after 3 but in essence a drafting team owns the player for 4 years. It's linked into the UFA eligibility after 4 year rule too. Edited September 29, 2018 by ColoradoBills
The Wiz Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: As Hap said it's part of the last CBA. The rookie contract stuff before was a mess. This is mainly for the teams protection. If the Bills really want to keep Allen they can extend his contract after 3 but in essence a drafting team owns the player for 4 years. It's linked into the UFA eligibility after 4 year rule too. Yea I remember how bad the rookie contract were in the past. Just was curious.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 Just now, The Wiz said: Did not know that. Is it a rookie contract thing or something related to the cap? Rookie contract.
Cripple Creek Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 I’m Hopeful that they give the kid Foster a long look tomorrow. He’s an UDFA and he knows the mind of OC Dabol. I’m confident that he can give the team just the offensive spark it needs.
Scott7975 Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 4 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Foster has elite speed and he’s able to get off the line of scrimmage. His ability to separate has been impressive. I guess you need to have patience and lower your expectations for a first year player. So what if he has great speed. He is a good athlete. That doesn't make him a good receiver. The guy has no experience playing the position as he barely had any work in college either. Are we suppose to keep this guy around and hope he gets it in his 5th season? There are a lot of negatives on his game in every draft report I have read. Great speed doesn't always equal even good receiver. There are a lot of track stars out there. There is a reason they don't play in the NFL. 3 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Do you think the Bills' coaches cared what college he went to when they put him on the roster? Do you think they will care when he will be lucky to make our practice squad next season? If the guy don't produce he will be gone. Its not looking like he is going to produce. Just as Zay has not produced. The difference is we have invested in Zay and honestly I am sure he is on the hot seat too. If we had any semblance of a receiving core the dude would not be on our team at all. Personally I think they cut better players because of speed. Speed is only good if you can catch the damn ball.
Dr.Sack Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 If they are dropping passes that’s better than passes airmailed to the defense. Bottom line get some stickum or new receivers willing to catch the ball & don’t short arm bracing for contact. Be brave WRs!
MDH Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...no but you sure as hell do with obnoxious subjectivity.....I'm just wasting time and valuable bandwidth for others who choose to OBJECTIVELY discuss/debate.... You think you’ve found objectivity on a Bills’ board? It’s just a different team they can’t see clearly... 1
Sky Diver Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 (edited) You don’t judge a rookie WR after 3 games. Edited September 29, 2018 by Sky Diver
The Wiz Posted September 29, 2018 Posted September 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: You don’t judge a rookie WR after 3 games. Every player is under the microscope during every play. So no you don't just them after 3 games. You judge them by what they are doing during the plays they do or don't make.
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