Tenhigh Posted November 20, 2018 Posted November 20, 2018 On 11/19/2018 at 11:49 PM, K-9 said: His billing was as the top QB prospect since Elway. See how that’s not the same as the top prospect of all time? Those QBs on your list; can you provide breakdowns of their first three years and what they were able to accomplish in that timeframe? He was hurt halfway into his fourth season and missed a year and a half in rehab and is still not 100%. Is that not a consideration? I don’t know if you’re crazy or not, but you seem to lack an understanding into why scouts made those evaluations of him as a prospect coming out. EVERY criteria listed as a predictor of his potential for success, from decision making, to accuracy, to arm strength and everything in between has been shown to be warranted. That’s why he’s lived up to the hype. Now, if you need to conflate the careers of HOFers, SB winners, future HOFers, playing in different systems, under different coaches, and with far superior supporting casts, feel free to continue to do so. Perhaps another hockey player or bull riding rodeo star instead? By all means. Wiser people would wait until all the data on Luck’s career is in. Expand Aren't you arguing with the guy who posited that we won too many games vs the NFC?
K-9 Posted November 20, 2018 Posted November 20, 2018 On 11/20/2018 at 10:38 PM, Tenhigh said: Aren't you arguing with the guy who posited that we won too many games vs the NFC? Expand He is being totally tongue in cheek about winning too many NFC games so that’s kind of amusing. But I think he’s being totally serious about Luck. Your point is a good one though as it’s a complete waste of time to debate the issue any further. I agree to disagree and will simply leave it at that.
MJS Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/20/2018 at 2:22 AM, 4merper4mer said: Luck is in his 7th year. Let's make sure we judge him on his first three years against the Texans, Titans and Jags who were all atrocious. Let's claim nobody had a better first three years even though Brady won a Super Bowl as a rookie and Warner was ok his first year too. Make sure not to look at 2016 when Luck blew two easy 4th down plays which cost the Colts a playoff spot. He is simply the best QB since Elway. Nobody has been better. I am convinced he has lived up to everything expected of him and more. Expand Brady didn't win a Super Bowl as a rookie. Sorry to break it to you. In fact, no rookie QB has ever won, or even started in, the Super Bowl.
LSHMEAB Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 The fact that the OP got 10 pages of this just goes to reinforce the old "be careful what you wish for" adage.
Teddy KGB Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 12:28 AM, LSHMEAB said: The fact that the OP got 10 pages of this just goes to reinforce the old "be careful what you wish for" adage. Expand It’s about another posters 5 years of Luck sucks threads. The OP is just a passerby.
4merper4mer Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 12:19 AM, MJS said: Brady didn't win a Super Bowl as a rookie. Sorry to break it to you. In fact, no rookie QB has ever won, or even started in, the Super Bowl. Expand I'm pretty sure it was within his first 3 years or whatever artificial standard we've shifted today to fit the Kim Jung QB narrative.
Witless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/20/2018 at 4:40 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Expand This belongs in the Andrew Luck excuses thread.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 3:05 AM, 3rd Inning said: This belongs in the Andrew Luck excuses thread. Expand Never heard of it.
Witless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 12:19 AM, MJS said: Brady didn't win a Super Bowl as a rookie. Sorry to break it to you. In fact, no rookie QB has ever won, or even started in, the Super Bowl. Expand Yes he was. At the time he won the SB he had not yet started 16 regular season games.
MJS Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 3:07 AM, 3rd Inning said: Yes he was. At the time he won the SB he had not yet started 16 regular season games. Expand That's not what a rookie is. A rookie is someone who is in their first NFL season, regardless of playing time. Would you say a 10 year career backup who has never started a game is still a rookie? 1 1
BeginnersMind Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) On 11/20/2018 at 2:22 AM, 4merper4mer said: even though Brady won a Super Bowl as a rookie Expand Stick with the Gretzky comparisons. That line of thinking was really starting to go somewhere special. Edited November 21, 2018 by BeginnersMind
Witless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 8:49 AM, MJS said: That's not what a rookie is. A rookie is someone who is in their first NFL season, regardless of playing time. Would you say a 10 year career backup who has never started a game is still a rookie? Expand Yes. Looks like someone failed EJ 101. 1 1
BeginnersMind Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) On 11/21/2018 at 12:54 PM, 3rd Inning said: Yes. Looks like someone failed EJ 101. Expand Frank Reich retired only 4 games after his rookie season finished? Good to know. And Nate Peterman will always be a rookie. Forever young. Edited November 21, 2018 by BeginnersMind
4merper4mer Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/20/2018 at 4:40 PM, 26CornerBlitz said: Expand Right. Because there was never a year when Luck got hurt and Hasselbeck came in and produced a better winning percentage. I mean other than 2016. So once every two thousand and sixteen years it could happen. They also went 0-16 last year. At least I think so.
Witless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 12:57 PM, BeginnersMind said: Frank Reich retired only 4 games after his rookie season finished? Good to know. And Nate Peterman will always be a rookie. Forever young. Expand Yes. This was very common knowledge a few years ago. Most people don't realize it, but Matt Barkley's a rookie too.
4merper4mer Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 12:57 PM, BeginnersMind said: Frank Reich retired only 4 games after his rookie season finished? Good to know. And Nate Peterman will always be a rookie. Forever young. Expand Oh the hairs that will be split in defense of Kim Jung QB.
row_33 Posted November 21, 2018 Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/21/2018 at 3:07 AM, 3rd Inning said: Yes he was. At the time he won the SB he had not yet started 16 regular season games. Expand Warner, Marino and Brady weren't officially rookies for their SB debuts, but they weren't highly qualified either
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