PirateHookerMD Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 Has anyone found an article/clarification on the fumble play? seemed pretty clear it was an incomplete pass.
klos63 Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said: Has anyone found an article/clarification on the fumble play? seemed pretty clear it was an incomplete pass. I think it was a missed call. Even the rules expert they had on the broadcast couldn't understand the call.
VW82 Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 I think it should have been ruled a forward pass, but whatever it was Allen needs to stop doing it. He's tried that little volleyball set move a few times now and it looks like it's going to be a problem every time he does it. In a way I'm glad the refs ruled it as a fumble so the coaching staff has more ammo to convince Allen it's the wrong way to execute that play.
jletha Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 That was a major blunder by the refs and Id bet their getting told they were wrong by the league. Every rules expert said that it was clearly a forward pass. Not sure how hte refs screwed that up honestly.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, klos63 said: I think it was a missed call. Even the rules expert they had on the broadcast couldn't understand the call. ...now THERE IS a real shocker.....on the Matthews hit, Al "Useless" Riveron said it was the correct call....McAulay broke down the verbiage of the rule citing adjectives "unnecessary" and deliberate" as far as Matthews NOT pile driving...said it was a non-call.......yet 'ol Al was out in front with his "correct call" garbage........."rules" and "expert" in the same sentence is a quintessential oxy moron...
Gugny Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 Yeah, this one is pretty black and white. The refs just blew it. 1
PeterDude Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 It was a good challenge by the coach, the ref's just !@#$ed it up.
wiskibreth Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 The only thing that I could possibly point to, is that it looked kinda like Allen sort of "dropped" it from his hands down to the runner instead of pushing it forward to him. It was very close. 9/10 times that's an incomplete pass.
Chandemonium Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, jletha said: That was a major blunder by the refs and Id bet their getting told they were wrong by the league. Every rules expert said that it was clearly a forward pass. Not sure how hte refs screwed that up honestly. Since all reviews go through the league office, the time for the league to tell them the got it wrong would’ve been when McDermott challenged, but instead it was upheld.
Fadingpain Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, VW82 said: I think it should have been ruled a forward pass, but whatever it was Allen needs to stop doing it. He's tried that little volleyball set move a few times now and it looks like it's going to be a problem every time he does it. In a way I'm glad the refs ruled it as a fumble so the coaching staff has more ammo to convince Allen it's the wrong way to execute that play. Regardless of whether or not the call was missed, I totally agree with you. Allen needs to stop doing that little move as it is a turnover waiting to happen. 1
Haslett_Stomp Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 There was a similar play in the Lions/Pats*** game last night and it was ruled an incomplete pass.
LeGOATski Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 How did they miss it on the replay? When they do a replay, aren't they discussing the rules with the replay official?
Doc Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 19 minutes ago, VW82 said: I think it should have been ruled a forward pass, but whatever it was Allen needs to stop doing it. He's tried that little volleyball set move a few times now and it looks like it's going to be a problem every time he does it. In a way I'm glad the refs ruled it as a fumble so the coaching staff has more ammo to convince Allen it's the wrong way to execute that play. 8 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Regardless of whether or not the call was missed, I totally agree with you. Allen needs to stop doing that little move as it is a turnover waiting to happen. Shovel passes are standard fare. You don't stop doing it because the refs are idiots.
Juice_32 Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 By the letter of the law definition, that was a forward pass. I do not understand how it's possible they missed it after review. It was a great challenge by coach. Thankfully it ended up working out.
WhoTom Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Shovel passes are standard fare. You don't stop doing it because the refs are idiots. Agreed, but in the future, they might want to increase the distance between Josh and the receiver so it's totally obvious, even without a replay, that the ball goes forward. With or without the bad call, it seems like that would be safer anyway.
blacklabel Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 27 minutes ago, VW82 said: I think it should have been ruled a forward pass, but whatever it was Allen needs to stop doing it. He's tried that little volleyball set move a few times now and it looks like it's going to be a problem every time he does it. In a way I'm glad the refs ruled it as a fumble so the coaching staff has more ammo to convince Allen it's the wrong way to execute that play. What Allen is doing is how the play is designed. Marcus Murphy needs to time it better. He had already ran past Allen by the time Allen had the ball. He needs to be a couple steps back so the snap goes to Allen and then Allen pushes it to Murphy. They've dialed it up three times now and it worked the first time with Foster for a gain of 8 or something. The last two times it hasn't gone well.
VW82 Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, blacklabel said: What Allen is doing is how the play is designed. Marcus Murphy needs to time it better. He had already ran past Allen by the time Allen had the ball. He needs to be a couple steps back so the snap goes to Allen and then Allen pushes it to Murphy. They've dialed it up three times now and it worked the first time with Foster for a gain of 8 or something. The last two times it hasn't gone well. Well then it's a crappy play design because too much can go wrong trying to float the ball in mid air like that with a receiver running full tilt in between the center and QB as the ball is being snapped. There's just too little room to work with. Catch it and hand it off. Simple. Edited September 24, 2018 by VW82
PirateHookerMD Posted September 24, 2018 Author Posted September 24, 2018 My understanding is that the entire point of executing the play they did, was so in the very instance if the ball is dropped, that it counts as an incomplete pass. I hope the Bills ask for clarification. 1
Captain_Quint Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 Just now, PirateHookerMD said: My understanding is that the entire point of executing the play they did, was so in the very instance if the ball is dropped, that it counts as an incomplete pass. I hope the Bills ask for clarification. That's just it. It's a low risk play since any other time I've seen it not work, the refs run in blowing the whistle for an incomplete. Yesterday, even after taking another look, they said it was a fumble. Doesnt make much sense since there was clearly no 'hand off' to fumble when you slow it down and watch the replay. 2
billsfan1959 Posted September 24, 2018 Posted September 24, 2018 1 hour ago, VW82 said: I think it should have been ruled a forward pass, but whatever it was Allen needs to stop doing it. He's tried that little volleyball set move a few times now and it looks like it's going to be a problem every time he does it. In a way I'm glad the refs ruled it as a fumble so the coaching staff has more ammo to convince Allen it's the wrong way to execute that play. 1 hour ago, Fadingpain said: Regardless of whether or not the call was missed, I totally agree with you. Allen needs to stop doing that little move as it is a turnover waiting to happen. The failure of that play was all on Murphy
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