John from Riverside Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Nonsense. He has David Johnson and Fitz. Johnson can't get jack done behind that OL and who are they great targets beyond #11? Name them. Kristian Kirk would probably be our best WR 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Give me a break! Kirk is a rookie who's still finding his way and Gresham isn't better than Clay and he's not the primary receiving TE anyway. You don't know the Cardinals personnel. None of this matters with so litte pass-pro afforded Rosen on almost every drop back. Translation: "you're right, of course, JSP. I just can't admit to it." Take the L, bot. Take it and enjoy it. 1 2
26CornerBlitz Posted October 19, 2018 Author Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Translation: "you're right, of course, JSP. I just can't admit to it." Take the L, bot. Take it and enjoy it. Nice try JillSixPack.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Kirk and Gresham, as well. And Johnson > McCoy at this point. 92 more yards on 45 additional carries is better?
John from Riverside Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Translation: "you're right, of course, JSP. I just can't admit to it." Take the L, bot. Take it and enjoy it. I am not gonna bag on corner too much because as bad as Rosen looked today he is in fact a rookie and there is a lot of games left to be played I think the way corner is defending the opinion is a bit unfortunate......Rosen's situation is similar to Allens which is why both are not putting up big numbers, but there are postions on the cardinals on offense that are definately better.
Magox Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: The 'celebrating Rosen's failure' is as much a nudge to everyone who's so quick to label Allen busto as it is a comparison of the two. Can't speak for everyone, but I'm just highlighting the dichotomy between responses to bad performances; Rosen's afforded the appropriate (in my mind) amount of leeway, Allen is most definitively not. I don't see any harm in pointing that out. Couldn't have said it better myself. The same Allen detractors are the ones who have no patience for his inexperience, yet "the most NFL ready" rookie QB when he ends up stinking up the field he is given a pass. Fact is that our supporting cast for Allen is worse than Rosen and his overall impact has been more positive for the team than Rosen's.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 19, 2018 Author Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: 92 more yards on 45 additional carries is better? Gresham has 3 catches for 46 yards this season. He's not their main receiving TE. 2 minutes ago, Magox said: Couldn't have said it better myself. The same Allen detractors are the ones who have no patience for his inexperience, yet "the most NFL ready" rookie QB when he ends up stinking up the field he is given a pass. Fact is that our supporting cast for Allen is worse than Rosen and his overall impact has been more positive for the team than Rosen's. How is that a fact? Arizona's OL is far worse and their Receiving corps is just as bad while the Bills' D is vastly superior. Edited October 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz
GoBills808 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Gresham has 3 catches for 46 yards this season. He's not their main receiving TE. That'd be Ricky Seals-Jones, who got hurt last night I think. He might be Clay's equal at this point in their careers.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 19, 2018 Author Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, GoBills808 said: That'd be Ricky Seals-Jones, who got hurt last night I think. He might be Clay's equal at this point in their careers. Oh I know, but Jill didn't.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Magox said: Couldn't have said it better myself. The same Allen detractors are the ones who have no patience for his inexperience, yet "the most NFL ready" rookie QB when he ends up stinking up the field he is given a pass. Fact is that our supporting cast for Allen is worse than Rosen and his overall impact has been more positive for the team than Rosen's. For me it's about never seeing it from Allen in college. As much as I want to hope he gets it I just know QBs that didn't get it at lower levels of football don't get it at higher levels. Rookies are rookies. They will have ugly games. Edited October 19, 2018 by TheTruthHurts
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Translation: "you're right, of course, JSP. I just can't admit to it." Take the L, bot. Take it and enjoy it. Lol. Nicely done.
Scott7975 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Gresham has 3 catches for 46 yards this season. He's not their main receiving TE. How is that a fact? Arizona's OL is far worse and their Receiving corps is just as bad while the Bills' D is vastly superior. I don't think their OL is "far worse." They are more likely to be pretty comparable. You just posted a stat in another thread showing that the Bills are one of the worst teams at giving up pressure's.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 19, 2018 Author Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, Scott7975 said: I don't think their OL is "far worse." They are more likely to be pretty comparable. You just posted a stat in another thread showing that the Bills are one of the worst teams at giving up pressure's. Based on performance they are. Especially in the last few weeks.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I am not gonna bag on corner too much because as bad as Rosen looked today he is in fact a rookie and there is a lot of games left to be played I think the way corner is defending the opinion is a bit unfortunate......Rosen's situation is similar to Allens which is why both are not putting up big numbers, but there are postions on the cardinals on offense that are definately better. All rookies need to prove themselves. As noted there’s a guy with the preconceived impression that has to prove himself correct. He can call us names and insinuate we’re stupid and get testy when someone disagrees with him. It’s all for naught until the rookie actually performs over a reasonable number of games. Sometimes it it takes more than a season or two. And blaming the OL? The Bills o line isn’t filled with all stars either. 1
Scott7975 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Based on performance they are. Especially in the last few weeks. And yet you also posted this.... Also how do you allow 110 pressures on 107 attempts? Edited October 19, 2018 by Scott7975 1 1
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 Sobering food for thought, for everyone sporting a moniker on this board along the lines of, "wrong Josh": "Quarterback Josh Rosen threw two pick-sixes in the first quarter, becoming the first rookie quarterback in NFL history to accomplish the feat. He finished with five turnovers, with another interception and two fumbles. He's one of three players in the Super Bowl era to be sacked six times, have five turnovers and throw two pick-sixes, according to Elias." http://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-cardinals/post/_/id/30834/mike-mccoys-days-as-cardinals-oc-likely-numbered However, it would have been just as unfair to judge Rosen as a future HOF if he'd managed to convert the 2 pick-sixes into Cardinals TD's, so 3 TD's on the night IMO...
Guest Mike147 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, Magox said: Couldn't have said it better myself. The same Allen detractors are the ones who have no patience for his inexperience, yet "the most NFL ready" rookie QB when he ends up stinking up the field he is given a pass. Fact is that our supporting cast for Allen is worse than Rosen and his overall impact has been more positive for the team than Rosen's. Josh Allen 27 GP / 26 GS / 365 Cmp / 649 Att / 56.2 PCT / 5066 Yards / 44 TDs / 21 INT / 137.7 Rating Josh Rosen 30 GP / 712 Cmp / 1170 Att / 60.9 PCT / 9341 Yards / 59 TDs / 26 INT / 140 Rating These stats actually surprised me at first because I expected Rosen to be far ahead of Allen in certain categories and not this close. Ok, Rosen has 15 more TDs and 4275 yards, but he attempted 521 more passes and completed 347 of them in order to get that extra level of production. Fair enough the difference is still a decent stat line - 347 Cmp / 521 Att / 4275 Yards / 15 TDs / 5 INT - but perhaps the difference between them was a slightly exaggerated. However, I would note that Rosen in college did show decent accuracy and decision making, and I rated him ahead of Allen based on his college production, but his rookie struggles to date do seem to suggest that Rosen was not as 'NFL ready' as he was made out to be. But I do think that with a better O-Line and better support, Rosen would likely be the more accurate quarterback at this level than Allen.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 19, 2018 Author Posted October 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: And yet you also posted this.... Also how do you allow 110 pressures on 107 attempts? Two different sources with different methods I'm guessing. I know that in the last few weeks the Bills are getting better while the Cardinals' OL is getting worse.
Scott7975 Posted October 19, 2018 Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Two different sources with different methods I'm guessing. I know that in the last few weeks the Bills are getting better while the Cardinals' OL is getting worse. Yes, I agree that our line is getting a little better. I doubt that their Oline is significantly more worse than ours to say our QB sucks and theirs is going to be awesome. That's all I am getting at really. Both are rookie QBs. Both have a lot of learning to do. Both can bust, become mediocre, or become franchise. Too early to say for either one of them at this point IMO. Edited October 19, 2018 by Scott7975
26CornerBlitz Posted October 19, 2018 Author Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, Scott7975 said: Yes, I agree that our line is getting a little better. I doubt that their Oline is significantly more worse than ours to say our QB sucks and theirs is going to be awesome. That's all I am getting at really. They are down two starting guards and they are with last night as exhibit A. Allen doesn't suck, he's much more inexperienced and has a bigger learning curve than the other 3 QBs who were drafted in the top ten. Nothing new about this.
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