To the Bills fans who said you would rather have better draft pick than a win

[buffaloboyinATL]

Are you happy today? Not to pick on you @SouthNYfan but this is an example of what I am talking about. There are those amongst us who stated that you would rather cheer for better draft picks than cheer for the Bills to win. Does that mean you are disappointed today since we went and destroyed a team that almost everyone thought would destroy us?  I am elated that we got the win and also showed that we have the coach, QB and a few other core elements in place to hopefully be competitive for years to come.  I wonder how fans who cheer for the team to lose feel.  

 

Oh, and are you still cheering for us to lose now after this performance, or will you start cheering for the team to win?

 

   On 9/21/2018 at 3:10 PM,  buffaloboyinATL said: 

I ALWAYS cheer for the win and then deal with the losses when they happen.  I agree that in the big scheme this win would not likely mean much, but I enjoy my Sundays cheering for a good performance by the Bills, therefore, rooting against the OP.

SouthNYfan:

I know but you said all of us.

So I'm telling you I'm not rooting to win right now.

I want a top pick.

 

Edited September 24, 2018 by buffaloboyinATL

[BillsFan130]

I can never go against the Bills. Especially this early in the season

[SouthNYfan]

2 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Are you happy today? Not to pick on you @SouthNYfan but this is an example of what I am talking about. There are those amongst us who stated that you would rather cheer for better draft picks than cheer for the Bills to win. Does that mean you are disappointed today since we went and destroyed a team that almost everyone thought would destroy us?  I am elated that we got the win and also showed that we have the coach, QB and a few other core elements in place to hopefully be competitive for years to come.  I wonder how fans who cheer for the team to lose feel. 

 

   On 9/21/2018 at 3:10 PM,  buffaloboyinATL said: 

I ALWAYS cheer for the win and then deal with the losses when they happen.  I agree that in the big scheme this win would not likely mean much, but I enjoy my Sundays cheering for a good performance by the Bills, therefore, rooting against the OP.

SouthNYfan:

I know but you said all of us.

So I'm telling you I'm not rooting to win right now.

I want a top pick.

 

 

I don't cheer for them to lose.

Going into games I'm looking at the future right now, in a rebuild.

No, I'm not disappointed, I'm actually very happy with the way they played.

I'm also not going to sit around and pretend that one game means we are going to the Superbowl.

We might, who knows?

Winning a couple of games during the season and finishing 6-10 again isn't productive, it's why we had a 17 year playoff drought.

We got our QB it looks like, which I'm happy with, and have been stoked about him since we got him.

If we finish 6-10 with a meh draft pick though it's not going to help the team as much as finishing 3-13 with a top3 pick would.

[Alphadawg7]

I always want to win...

 

That being said, for me this year, I don't personally "care" if we win or lose as much as I care about just seeing growth and progress in our young players.  Im comfortable with whatever this season brings record wise because all the moves we made were NOT about THIS season, but all are for the future and long term success.  

 

However, to be fair...if the Bills are fielding a team thats not capable of winning more than a 4 to 6 games, then sure, I can see that people might think a loss would be better since you are not going to go anywhere anyway, so might as well improve the roster through better draft position.  And if you look at the first 2 weeks, the team certainly looked like one of the worst in the NFL at times.  So I don't really fault people who felt like losing might be better than a few occasional wins.  So hard to blame them for feeling that way, I mean it makes sense for someone to prefer that if the team isnt good enough to go anywhere.

 

BUT:  If this IS really the Bills team that played the last 6 quarters of football, then this team CAN win and its better to keep winning.  Its ALWAYS better to win.  

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

I always want to win...

 

That being said, for me this year, I don't personally "care" if we win or lose as much as I care about just seeing growth and progress in our young players.  Im comfortable with whatever this season brings record wise because all the moves we made were NOT about THIS season, but all are for the future and long term success.  

 

However, to be fair...if the Bills are fielding a team thats not capable of winning more than a 4 to 6 games, then sure, I can see that people might think a loss would be better since you are not going to go anywhere anyway, so might as well improve the roster through better draft position.  And if you look at the first 2 weeks, the team certainly looked like one of the worst in the NFL at times.  So I don't really fault people who felt like losing might be better than a few occasional wins.  So hard to blame them for feeling that way, I mean it makes sense for someone to prefer that if the team isnt good enough to go anywhere.

 

BUT:  If this IS really the Bills team that played the last 6 quarters of football, then this team CAN win and its better to keep winning.  Its ALWAYS better to win.  

 

Worded better than I did.

Thanks dude

[KitchenerKaizer]

Wanting your team to lose = fake fan

[buffaloboyinATL]

Just now, SouthNYfan said:

 

I don't cheer for them to lose.

Going into games I'm looking at the future right now, in a rebuild.

No, I'm not disappointed, I'm actually very happy with the way they played.

I'm also not going to sit around and pretend that one game means we are going to the Superbowl.

We might, who knows?

Winning a couple of games during the season and finishing 6-10 again isn't productive, it's why we had a 17 year playoff drought.

We got our QB it looks like, which I'm happy with, and have been stoked about him since we got him.

If we finish 6-10 with a meh draft pick though it's not going to help the team as much as finishing 3-13 with a top3 pick would.

That is true, I guess it is just a bit early to think about next years draft for me right now. I figured there was a good chance we could start the season 0-4 with this schedule, so if we can get one or two wins early, who knows.  Again, I didn't mean to pick on you, I get where you are coming from, I just wondered if this win made you happy or not...

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

However, to be fair...if the Bills are fielding a team thats not capable of winning more than a 4 to 6 games, then sure, I can see that people might think a loss would be better since you are not going to go anywhere anyway, so might as well improve the roster through better draft position.  And if you look at the first 2 weeks, the team certainly looked like one of the worst in the NFL at times.  So I don't really fault people who felt like losing might be better than a few occasional wins.  So hard to blame them for feeling that way, I mean it makes sense for someone to prefer that if the team isnt good enough to go anywhere.

 

I get this, but unfortunately, it will likely require hindsight this season to determine if we would have been better off losing a few more, rather than winning a few more, so I will always root for the win. If we end up losing enough to have a good draft pick, so be it, I just can't bring myself to root for that, especially this early in the season. 

[Chuck Wagon]

I'm elated we got the win.  I don't want to join the Browns and Lions in the 0-16 club.

 

That being said, I'm pretty realistic about where the talent level currently stands, adding a guy like Bosa or Oliver to the young talent we already have with the mountain of cap space we'll have this winter sounds a lot more appealing than another 6-10, pick 9th type of season, of which there were far too many in the drought.

[RyanC883]

15 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

I don't cheer for them to lose.

Going into games I'm looking at the future right now, in a rebuild.

No, I'm not disappointed, I'm actually very happy with the way they played.

I'm also not going to sit around and pretend that one game means we are going to the Superbowl.

We might, who knows?

Winning a couple of games during the season and finishing 6-10 again isn't productive, it's why we had a 17 year playoff drought.

We got our QB it looks like, which I'm happy with, and have been stoked about him since we got him.

If we finish 6-10 with a meh draft pick though it's not going to help the team as much as finishing 3-13 with a top3 pick would.

 

I know some people believe this, but it's not true.  The Steelers have reloaded a ton of talent over the past 10 years with   We had the drought  because of terrible drafting by the prior regime: 

 

2009: 11th picK: Maybin instead of Orakpo; 

 

2010: 9th pick: CJ Spiller instead of Earl Thomas; or D. Morgan, or M. Pouncey

 

2011: 3rd pick  Dearus.  That one was okay.    But JJ Watt would be better. 

 

2012:  12th pick: Gillmore.  A good pick, and a pick a 6-10 team can get.  

 

2013:  16th pick: EJ Manual.  Xavier Rhodes, Eric Reed, DeAndre Hopkins, and Travis Fredrick all 1st rounders taken later.  

 

2014: 4th Pick: Sammy Watkins.   Yeah, K. Mack would be a much better pick.  or A. Donald, taken at 13; or Ryan Schazier taken at 15.  

 

2015: No 1st round pick.  Some names available around 10: Todd Gurley, Melvin Gordon, etc.  

 

I'll stop there, but you get the point.  There is a lot of talent around where a 6-10 team can draft.   You just have to make the right picks.  

Edited September 24, 2018 by RyanC883

[Homey D. Clown]

While I'm not one of those fans who rooted against the Bills, I certainly didn't pick them to win.  They gave me no reason, and just because they put a decent game together this week doesn't mean I'm picking them to win this week.  Actually, I'm not.  I actually don't think losing helps the team grow, nor do I care about picking in the draft early, so if they win, great, and I'm happy.  If they lose, I'm upset, and want to see some sort of growth.  For 20 years, it's been this, wash, rinse repeat story.  Either win a decent amount of games or tank.  4-7 wins a year blows.

[Albany,n.y.]

I'm in the camp that when December comes along if the team has only 2-3 wins, it's better to want to see another loss than a win so that we can get a higher pick.  A 3rd or 4th win truly is meaningless -IN MOST SEASONS.  This season is different than most because many times the reason I've wanted the higher pick is to be in a better position to get a franchise QB.  Since we went all in to get the QB in the past draft, it makes this season different.  This season, the main objective is to see the QB improve.  An improving QB will win those otherwise meaningless games in December.  With a rookie QB at the beginning of his development, there is no such thing as a meaningless game.  Every game in his growth matters.  

 

In past seasons, when I rooted for a loss, that didn't make me any less of a fan for looking at the big picture than the fan who wanted a win in December that cost us a key player.  Sometimes 1 loss is the difference between Ben Roethlisberger and JP Losman.  

[quinnearlysghost88]

how many i told you so posts do we need? we're all fans. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

1 minute ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

how many i told you so posts do we need? we're all fans. 

How is this an I told you so post?  I am asking if those who assumed that the season was likely a wash because of the first two games, have changed their minds yet and started thinking it is better to win than lose at this time.  As I stated earlier, I get the mindset of "if we are going to lose, may as well lose big", I just wonder if this one win was enough to change the mindset yet regarding this season.

[msw2112]

 

16 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I'm in the camp that when December comes along if the team has only 2-3 wins, it's better to want to see another loss than a win so that we can get a higher pick.  A 3rd or 4th win truly is meaningless -IN MOST SEASONS.  This season is different than most because many times the reason I've wanted the higher pick is to be in a better position to get a franchise QB.  Since we went all in to get the QB in the past draft, it makes this season different.  This season, the main objective is to see the QB improve.  An improving QB will win those otherwise meaningless games in December.  With a rookie QB at the beginning of his development, there is no such thing as a meaningless game.  Every game in his growth matters.  

 

In past seasons, when I rooted for a loss, that didn't make me any less of a fan for looking at the big picture than the fan who wanted a win in December that cost us a key player.  Sometimes 1 loss is the difference between Ben Roethlisberger and JP Losman.  

 

I agree with this previous post.  A couple of years ago, we won our meaningless Week 16 battle and were rewarded by dropping a few slots in the draft.  In the final weeks, if the team is out of the playoffs and trending down, it is better to lose and improve the team's draft status.  Play some of the young guys, let them develop, and see if anyone emerges.  At that point, you are playing for the future.  Week 2 or 3 is WAY too early to be thinking about draft position.  You want to see if you can either win enough to make the playoffs OR develop a positive culture for the future and develop young players (or ideally, do both).  I loved the win yesterday and think it gives us something to build on.  Losing to improve draft position can be discussed in December.  I also agree with the earlier post that says that you can get great players even if you are not drafting in the top 10 (see White, Tre) and you can get lousy players while drafting in the top 10 (see Bills, Buffalo for most of the last 20 years), so where you finish is not as important as how well you draft.  Of course, if you pick higher, you have more top players to choose from and should theoretically be in a better position to pick a better player.  

 

I don't think this team is going to make the playoffs this year, but I will be in Green Bay on Sunday pulling for a Bills win!

[PeterDude]

The two most important goals for this season are to see true development of Allen at QB while getting high draft selections to rebuild the OL, WR & RB positions with young talent.  For the later, the more loses you have, generally the better talent you will be able to select come draft time.  What's more important, a few more wins to a losing season or better players for the future? 

[CaptnCoke11]

These threads are cool.. puff that chest out 

[Heavy Kevi]

I always root for them to win, and then when they don't I justify it by saying we get the higher pick.

 

Until we are officially out of contention for the playoffs, then lose, lose, lose. 

[klos63]

1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

I don't cheer for them to lose.

Going into games I'm looking at the future right now, in a rebuild.

No, I'm not disappointed, I'm actually very happy with the way they played.

I'm also not going to sit around and pretend that one game means we are going to the Superbowl.

We might, who knows?

Winning a couple of games during the season and finishing 6-10 again isn't productive, it's why we had a 17 year playoff drought.

We got our QB it looks like, which I'm happy with, and have been stoked about him since we got him.

If we finish 6-10 with a meh draft pick though it's not going to help the team as much as finishing 3-13 with a top3 pick would.

but if we win more games it might mean we are a pretty good team that doesn't need a total rebuild. The defense playing like it did shouldn't be a total surprise. They were pretty good last season and spent 5 draft picks and 2 key FA's on improving. We certainly need to focus on the offense, but 1 more good draft and some good FA signings could make a big improvement. If yesterday was a good indication of how the team could play, we should hope for more wins.

[Bobby Chandler]

1 hour ago, billsfan11 said:

I can never go against the Bills. Especially this early in the season

I have a real hard time with rooting for losses at any time in the season.  Getting multiple years of Top 5 picks is no guarantee of success - it is more a sign that you will have multiple years of staying in the basement (see Cleveland Browns and Philly 76ers).  It's better to build a culture of winning, rather than make a habit of losing.  Making the current players on the roster into valued professionals is a higher payoff than tanking for a high draft pick.

[SouthNYfan]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I know some people believe this, but it's not true.  The Steelers have reloaded a ton of talent over the past 10 years with   We had the drought  because of terrible drafting by the prior regime: 

 

2009: 11th picK: Maybin instead of Orakpo; 

 

2010: 9th pick: CJ Spiller instead of Earl Thomas; or D. Morgan, or M. Pouncey

 

2011: 3rd pick  Dearus.  That one was okay.    But JJ Watt would be better. 

 

2012:  12th pick: Gillmore.  A good pick, and a pick a 6-10 team can get.  

 

2013:  16th pick: EJ Manual.  Xavier Rhodes, Eric Reed, DeAndre Hopkins, and Travis Fredrick all 1st rounders taken later.  

 

2014: 4th Pick: Sammy Watkins.   Yeah, K. Mack would be a much better pick.  or A. Donald, taken at 13; or Ryan Schazier taken at 15.  

 

2015: No 1st round pick.  Some names available around 10: Todd Gurley, Melvin Gordon, etc.  

 

I'll stop there, but you get the point.  There is a lot of talent around where a 6-10 team can draft.   You just have to make the right picks.  

 

I just threw up in my mouth.

Thanks for that trip down memory lane.

I feel like a sexual assault victim in court having to recount the incident.

 

59 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

how many i told you so posts do we need? we're all fans. 

 

Well he tagged me in it, and I wasn't offended that he did.

I don't think he was being malicious.

I'm good with it.